Babies, Not Parasites: New Study Reveals How Pregnancy Can Help Fight Heart Disease

From the Gawker science blog io9 comes a particularly cool revelation about pregnancy that might seem apolitical at first glance, but holds powerful implications for one of the abortion movement’s more callous talking points:

Researchers have known for some time that women who experience weakened heart function in the months before and after childbirth (a condition known as peripartum cardiomyopathy) recover more quickly than any other group of heart failure patients. Now, a team of researchers from Mt. Sinai School of Medicine thinks it may know why.

The researchers have demonstrated that when a pregnant mouse suffers from a heart attack, her fetus will actually donate cells that can migrate to mom’s heart before differentiating into different types of cardiac cells, aiding in the heart’s regenerative processes.

Every once in a while, a pro-choicer trying to sound clever will make the argument that, while unborn babies may be living things, they’re basically parasites from which the “host” is perfectly entitled to defend herself. Consider Joyce Arthur of the Pro-Choice Action Network:

In fact, the biological definition of “parasite” fits the fetal mode of growth precisely, especially since pregnancy causes a major upset to a woman’s body, just like a parasite does to its host. I’m not trying to disparage fetuses with the negative connotations of the word parasite; in fact, parasites and their hosts often enjoy mutually supportive relationships, and this would include most pregnancies. However, the parasitic relationship of a fetus to a woman means that its continued existence requires her consent[13] – if she continues the pregnancy unwillingly, her rights and bodily integrity are violated. Fetal dependence on a woman’s body also refutes the common anti-choice assertion that fetuses are “innocent” and therefore deserving of protection. An unwanted fetus has no ill intent of course – like a parasite, it’s just doing what it naturally has to do – but the physical risks of pregnancy and its total disruption to a woman’s body and life means the fetus is not harmless, and therefore not innocent.

There are, of course, numerous problems with that argument. For one thing, the fetus is a member of the same species as his or her mother, and therefore can’t be thought of as simplistically as you would a lower order of creature, like a tapeworm, invading your body. For another, fetuses aren’t foreign entities, but the natural result of the human body functioning correctly. Doesn’t the act of creating the “parasite” constitute at least tacit consent for it to take up residence inside you?

But the Sinai study demonstrates that the relationship between mother and unborn child can be more than just “mutually supportive.” Many mothers will discuss the intangible benefits of their pregnancy—joy, purpose, fulfillment, etc.—but if the study is correct, the mother also gets something much more quantifiable out of the deal: babies have the potential to actually heal their mothers, perhaps even save their lives, from within the womb. And that’s not the only known health benefit of pregnancy, either. How long will it be before we discover even more astounding ways that babies’ stem cells help their mothers?

That’s not to deny the difficulties and potential dangers of pregnancy, of course. But let’s give credit where credit is due—does the above really sound like a parasite?

Those looking for new biological terminology to describe pregnancy would be better off ditching “parasitic” for “symbiotic”: two organisms living together for mutual benefit. Think that’ll make it into Planned Parenthood’s educational efforts?

  • Tom

    “Doesn’t the act of creating the “parasite” constitute at least tacit consent for it to take up residence inside you?” – not if it was unintentional.

    Looks like we’d better do more fetal stem cell research.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Gale-Routh/100002582112073 Gale Routh

      no, when does creation has to do with symbiosis?

      • Justin

        Ok, Gale, When you consent to sex, you agree that there is a possiblity of getting pregnant, therefore, it is NOT unintentional and therefore not parisitic. ALSO, on your comment above, how can you argue biblical facts and then say the bible is a myth. That, my friend, is FALLACY. ALSO, of COURSE a book on atheism is going to “prove” that God doesn’t exist just like a book on Christianity is going to “prove” that God exists. Your radical atheism, just like radical pro-life AND pro-choice articles are going to twist history/science however they feel. Bottom line: it’s pointless. Your radical atheism is pointless because there IS NO POINT of trying to disprove God exists to others. If you really feel that strongly, OH WELL, but your comment in this post isn’t going to stop anyone from believing what they want and it isn’t hurting them to believe that, either. In fact, the Bible teaches to do good unto others and to love others, so true Christianity, no matter your belief, is good for the world when practiced correctly. OAN: Btw, just remember, how would you feel if your mother would have aborted you? YOU WOULDN’T, because you would’ve never got the chance >:P

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Gale-Routh/100002582112073 Gale Routh

          “When you consent to sex, you agree that there is a possiblity of getting
          pregnant, therefore, it is NOT unintentional and therefore not
          parisitic ”

          wrong, according to science… and what you are saying, if you agree to go outside, then you agree to get a bitten by bugs.

          this is called science: as a zygote, it invaded the woman’s uterus using its Trophoblast cells
          and hijacked her immune system by using Neurokinin B—-so her body won’t
          KILL it, and stole her nutrients to survive and causes her harm or
          potential DEATH!   a fetus is a parasite.

          you do know that a man doesn’t ejaculate zygotes, right?

          i really don’t about your belief in myths nor your jack-asinine opinions about other irreverent beliefs, i got science on my side…what do you have?

          • Willow

            When one does drive a car they are taking the risk of being in an accident, but they still do it because they are willing to take the risk.  When one has sex, they know they are taking the risk of becoming pregnant, but if they do, then they are taking the risk.

            I find it appalling that human life is spoken about so lightly by the pro-choice, pro-abortion side of view.  Think about your life for a moment, ma’am.  Think about all it contains and all of its meaning.  Everybody’s life is precious and it’s just plain wrong for someone who has a life to deny the continuation of life to an innocent human being.  It was the woman’s choice to put herself in the position to become pregnant in the first place and to act as if it was the child’s fault of being inside her womb is just plain stupid.

            You are in my prayers. May you one day see the light.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Gale-Routh/100002582112073 Gale Routh

            ‘When one does drive a car they are taking the risk of being in an
            accident, but they still do it because they are willing to take the
            risk.  When one has sex, they know they are taking the risk of becoming
            pregnant, but if they do, then they are taking the risk.”

            so you agree with me…so your point is?

            “I find it appalling that human life is spoken about so lightly by the pro-choice, pro-abortion side of view.”

            i find it applauding that U R pro-life, schizophrenic fascists that supports the reproductive
            slavery of American female citizens, against their will and legal
            rights—granted by their BIRTH. just so they can give birth an unwanted, human parasitic
            fetus that you will not be there to help raise for 18 years + college…just so you can exercise your own sanctimonious douche-baggin’ pride over their bodies—because you are too lazy to help real children in danger.

            that’s why you call fetuses, which are non-sentient beings: INNOCENT CHILDREN WITH OUT LOGICALLY EXPLAINING, HOW? of course, if you did, you would have to lie to keep your beliefs or admit that you are WRONG!

            nor you don’t care about the women’s mental or emotional state pre-pregnancy or post, and how pregnancy can f*ck a woman’s mind, life and body up.

            YOU LIVE IN A FANTASY WORLD, WHERE A WOMAN’S ABORTION (in the real world, you are powerless to stop a woman’s abortion without her permission=  her abortion is none of your business) IS USED, LIKE CELEBRITY GOSSIP, A FORM OF ESCAPISM.

            i pity you.

          • LaSiciliana

            I have to agree with you Gale on this one, and I am a practicing Roman Catholic. I am not one of these crazy backwards baptist or presbyterian right wing protestants who are the Christian equivalent of Islamic extremists. How dare any of you claim that it’s all in the name of “saving lives” when it’s really more about imposing your views on everyone else because it makes you feel uncomfortable. In reality, your morality should have no impact on anyone who is not like minded because guess what, not EVERYONE is a christian. We have a separation of church and state in this country for reasons like this, so that there can be no persecution of others with different beliefs based on religion. I do follow Jesus’ teachings of not casting the first stone, not persecuting others, and truly trying to love and understand and be empathetic to my neighbor (other people out there, even those with different beliefs).

          • Izabela Dav

            imposing views??????? you are living in a world of impose views just look around all around you are views, laws, policies. btw you talking about loving neighbour guess what??? unborn child could be my neighbour and if you are killing my neighbour you are affecting me so stop killing my neighbours

          • Izabela Dav

            and i pity you Gala, first of all, fetus is a baby (check dictionary) and yes baby is innocent. AND THE ONLY PERSON WHO IS LIVING IN FANTASY IS YOU AND YOU ARE LIVING IN ILLUSION AND SADLY YOU BELIEVE IN ILLUSION. if you are soooo agains woman’s body making babies, get you uterus removed!!!!! done and you don’t have to be a mother to anyone simple as that. YOU AND YOUR schizophrenia “her abortion is not your business” but she wants my tax $ to pay for it????? not in my name. Your body do whatever you please baby body is baby’s body and she or he will can do what every please when they will gorw up to make choices. the only person that doens’t care about women’s health is YOU as woman’s health is much damaged after abortion studies after studies prove this. Don’t even try to get off topic, killing unborn child is KILLING a person who could be breathing and enjoying life in arms of loving parents, if you don’t want to be a mother just give child to me i will give him/her proper up bringing or other adoptive parents. Killing is wrong and don’t even try to go on religon on this, every person in their right mind knows killing is wrong.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Gale-Routh/100002582112073 Gale Routh

             and the bible supported abortion, that was done by a priest, in god’s name, in his temple!
            the 1984 niv footnote of numbers 5:11-31 explained what “to thy thigh to rot, thy belly to swell” meant:
            Numbers 5:21 Or causes you to have a miscarrying womb and barrenness” to CAUSE a miscarrying womb IS an abortion.

            the judeo-christian god is a myth and historical evidence proves it.
            3.3.3 Atheism: A History of God (Part 1)
            Evid3nc3

          • Izabela Dav

            the bible supports abortions?????? everyone has its own interpretations heck back in a day they were burning people in the name of bible killing of a person or unborn defenceless person is just sick beyond belief

          • LaSiciliana

            Are you freaking serious? “everybody’s life is precious” and that’s why so many of you right wing bible thumpers support the war in iraq and afghanistan which has killed hundreds of thousands of civilians? i guess “everyone’s” life is precious as long as they live in america… ridiculous

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Gale-Routh/100002582112073 Gale Routh

    this proves what?

    this article is about mouse’ fetuses, not human…and other parasites will do alot to help the host stay alive for THEIR benefit, not the host: watch the parasitic wasp infect a worm.

    this is science:
    fetus (NOT A BABY, THEY ARE BORN…GOOGLE THE HUMAN DEVELOPMENT CHART) is a parasite because the classification of the biological relationship that is based on the behavior of one organism (the fetus) and how it relates to the woman’s body:

    as a zygote, it invaded the woman’s uterus using its Trophoblast cells and hijacked her immune system by using Neurokinin B—-so her body won’t KILL it, and stole her nutrients to survive and causes her harm or potential DEATH!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trophoblast
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immune_tolerance_in_pregnancy

    “it is also possible for a symbiotic relationship to exist between two organisms of the same species.”
    http://www.answers.com/topic/symbiosis —–Gale’s Science of Everyday Things:
    Symbiosis

    “an animal or plant that lives in or on another (the host) from which it obtains nourishment. The host does not benefit from the association and is often harmed by it”
    http://www.thefreedictionary.com/parasite

    if a man can kill his tapeworm at anytime, so should a woman abort her unwanted human parasitic fetus at anytime, too.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=505027481 Adriana Medina

      many things are wrong about what you’ve noted. let me just tell you this: the woman who has sex knowing she can become pregnant is not a victim of anything. she has invited the “parasite” into her body. i feel sorry for you, i really do, that you value human life so inaptly. you’re life must be truly empty of love.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Gale-Routh/100002582112073 Gale Routh

         wrong, that’s like saying: you driving a car knowing you can get in a car accident is not a victim.

        “the has invited the “parasite” into her body.”

        wrong, since you are a christian, science that disproves your god-myth and your morality is hard for you to understand.

        again: “as a zygote, it invaded the woman’s uterus
        using its Trophoblast cells and hijacked her immune system by using
        Neurokinin B—-so her body won’t KILL it, and stole her nutrients to
        survive and causes her harm or potential DEATH!”

        a man doesn’t ejaculate zygotes, try again.

        i feel sorry for you.

      • Izabela Dav

        Adriana don’t wast your time can you see that our GALE IS JOYCE LOL so you can’t win with this woman i guess her mom didn’t hug her when she was little

    • Grace Garner

      “as a zygote, it invaded the woman’s uterus using its Trophoblast cells and hijacked her immune system by using Neurokinin B—-so her body won’t KILL it, and stole her nutrients to survive and causes her harm or potential DEATH!”
      If you’re going to use that argument, you need to explain why the body prepares itself for pregnancy through ovulation and sperm and the menstruation cycle and the natural desire for sex and children, all as a natural process. I don’t think bodies prepare themselves specially for tapeworms.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Gale-Routh/100002582112073 Gale Routh

        it’s call evolution. it doesn’t hide the fact that the fetus invaded a woman’s body, hijacked her immune system, steal her nutrients, and cause her harm and potential death= the fetus is a parasite according to symbiosis.

        a tape worm invaded your gut is a natural process, too.

        • Isa241

          A tape worm invading your gut is a natural process for the
          tape worm, not you.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Gale-Routh/100002582112073 Gale Routh

             no, it’s a natural process because it happens in nature all the time or it’s a force outside of human hands.

            you need to fact check, before commenting.

            it doesn’t hide THE NATURAL PROCESS  that the fetus invaded a
            woman’s body, hijacked her immune system, steal her nutrients, and cause
            her harm and potential death= the fetus is a parasite according to
            symbiosis.

    • Guest

      Here are some scientific resources related to human parasites.  Notice that they say nothing about pregnancy or fetuses.

      http://www.cdc.gov/parasites/
      http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/parasiticdiseases.html

      Perhaps you should drop NARAL an email about this attack on women’s health.  It would be far better use of their time and energy than whining about an iPhone app.

      I’ll link you to some human development information as well:

      http://www.ehd.org/
      http://liveaction.org/blog/amazing-video-yale-scientist-visualizes-conception-to-birth/
      http://liveaction.org/blog/planned-parenthood-vs-the-medical-authorities/

      • Guest
      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Gale-Routh/100002582112073 Gale Routh

        thanks for giving me links without providing quotes from the link, to prove your point.

        • Guest

          You’re welcome.  Feel free to actually read them if you get the chance.  You’ll be glad you did.

    • Isa241

       

      You are right that a parasite can be of the same species as
      its host. However, in a parasitic relation the parasite must benefit from the relationship
      while the host is either harmed or not affected. A host CANNOT benefit in any
      way from a parasitic relationship.

      Dr. Kenneth Todar describes a parasite as “…an organism that
      grows, feeds and is sheltered on or in a different organism while contributing
      nothing to the survival of its host.”  

      Pregnancy comes with a mixture of ups and downs. While there
      are certainly disadvantages to pregnancy, there are physical benefits as well.
      Not to mention that pregnancy is the very thing that allows our species to persist.
       
      So when you look at the entire
      definition of parasitic relationship and then research the benefits of
      pregnancy, you see that the fetus does not fit the definition of a parasite.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Gale-Routh/100002582112073 Gale Routh

        “there are physical benefits as well.” like what? is it a benefit to help the host and parasite to survive,and if the host wasn’t pregnant, while having this “belief” would it cause harm?

        “Not to mention that pregnancy is the very thing that allows our species to persist.”

        and that has what to do as benefit a host according to symbiosis…a close relationship between a few organisms and not a billions?

        “So when you look at the entire
        definition of parasitic relationship and then research the benefits of
        pregnancy, you see that the fetus does not fit the definition of a parasite.”

        i suggest you take your own advice, and provide evidence and credible links to support your argument.

    • Izabela Dav

      LMOA, siting wikipedia as your source you can give me all the science arguments as you please i am not going to waste my time arguing with someone who also thinks earth is flat, just do yourself a favour and read about children who survived abortion (born alive) and ask them how they feel? All of them will tell you they are very happy they are alive so how can anyone take this away from them

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Gale-Routh/100002582112073 Gale Routh

     the bible supported abortion, that was done by a priest, in god’s name, in his temple!
    the 1984 niv footnote of numbers 5:11-31 explained what “to thy thigh to rot, thy belly to swell” meant:
    Numbers 5:21 Or causes you to have a miscarrying womb and barrenness” to CAUSE a miscarrying womb IS an abortion.

    the judeo-christian god is a myth and historical evidence proves it.
    3.3.3 Atheism: A History of God (Part 1)
    Evid3nc3

    • Guest

      If you’re going to quote mine the Bible, don’t dismiss it as a myth in the same post.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Gale-Routh/100002582112073 Gale Routh

         mind quote? are you serious?  i gave you the link! i swear, Christians vs their bible in a battle of common sense and the truth about disturbing facts featured in the bible…the bible will lose.

        • Guest
          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Gale-Routh/100002582112073 Gale Routh

             wrong, and thanks for giving me a link without providing a quote from the link, to prove your point; oh course, it’s not mind quoting to provide a video based on historic evidence that proves the judeo-christian god is a myth, while proving the bible supported abortion.

            i swear, Christians vs their bible in a battle of common sense and the
            truth about disturbing facts featured in the bible…the bible will
            lose.

          • Guest

            No idea what mind quoting is.  If you know, please feel free to enlighten me.

    • Mecz

      Satan used scripture against Jesus, too you know. But that obviously didn’t work in satan’s favor. Oh..how easily we are deceived.

  • Sparky

    I’m with Tom:  kind of makes the case for fetal stem-cell research

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=505027481 Adriana Medina

    Arthur’s claim that the fetus is not innocent is absurd to say the least!
    It does does not follow (in logic) that because something is harmful, it is not innocent. I wish she had taken a basic philosophy class. We put unhealthy food in our bodies but the food is not guilty of anything…quite the contrary, it is our own fault when we become overweight and unhealthy. the same can be said of a woman who is having sex. she knows sex can lead to pregnancy, and yet she still does it. it’s a risk that she was willing to take so if anything it’s her fault if she gets pregnant. not to say she doesn’t deserve sympathy and help from a local crisis pregnancy center. 
     on a side note, when i had my daughter (yes, out of wedlock, so i know how hard that can be) my migraines went away. i wish someone would do a study on that, if they havent already. my obgyn told me that is common in women who have had migraines all their lives.

    • http://www.facebook.com/jenn.kame Jenn Kame

      Wow so women are able to cause a baby on their own nowadays.?Reproductive biology sure has changed!

      • QuoVadisAnima

        LOL, stating that it’s her fault does not imply exclusivity, but as long as it is consensual and she understands how the process works, you’d be hard pressed to say that she was not responsible for the consequences. Yes, the biological father is equally at fault in such cases, but mutual guilt hardly changes the point of the comment above.

    • Izabela Dav

      can’t you see that our Gale is Joyce who has no friends and just sits of fb and talks to random people because no one else who has some knowledge and class would listen to her lol

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ana-Dee/100002560591777 Ana Dee

    a) When a parasite invades host tissue, the host tissue will sometimes respond by forming a capsule (of connective tissue) to surround the parasite and cut it off from other surrounding tissue (examples would be Paragonimus westermani, lung fluke, or Oncocerca volvulus, a nematode worm causing cutaneous filariasis in the human).b) When the human embryo or fetus attaches to and invades the lining tissue of the mother’s uterus, the lining tissue responds by surrounding the human embryo and does not cut it off from the mother, but rather establishes a means of close contact (the placenta) between the mother and the new human being.

    • Guest

      This almost works, however, it would work a lot better were the mother not cut off by a blood barrier from the fetus. That is in essence what it sounds like you are trying to tell me about a parasite? Also, as a heads up, the “body” doesn’t do that to a parasite, the parasite does it until there is a more appropriate environment. It is still alive.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ana-Dee/100002560591777 Ana Dee

    a) A parasite is an invading organism — coming to parasitize the host from an outside source.b) A human embryo or fetus is formed from a fertilized egg — the egg coming from an inside source, being formed in the ovary of the mother from where it moves into the oviduct where it may be fertilized to form the zygote — the first cell of the new human being.

    • Guest

      tsola sihT

    • Guest

      Technically quite a few microbes (most of which you got from you mother upon exiting the birth canal) have reproduced thousands upon thousands of times within your body (mostly the gut). Those precious little babies have never seen the outside of your body and were produced “within the source.”

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ana-Dee/100002560591777 Ana Dee

    a) A parasite is an organism that, once it invades the definitive host, will usually remain with host for life (as long as it or the host survives).b) A human embryo or fetus has a temporary association with the mother, remaining only a number of months in the uterus.

    • Guest

      False. look up giardia.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ana-Dee/100002560591777 Ana Dee

    There is no scientific classification that puts offsprings in parasitic category. The things your own body create can not be considered parasitic. Once again, if we look at all the examples in the nature,
    we will not see any organism that creates its own parasite.

    • http://www.facebook.com/jenn.kame Jenn Kame

      staphylococcus aureus- normal flora that changes to parasitic during pregnancy, abrasions, sunburns, and antimicrobial treatments, all of which are based off of the actions (for the most part) of the host

      • QuoVadisAnima

        So we should stop worrying about murder until we resolve poverty? Hmm. I’m not sure the victims are able to wait. Especially since God told us that poverty would always be with us.
        And as a pharmacist, I can assure you that 99.99% rate is theoretical not practical – look it up. As for God being in the 0.01%, again you are looking at it from the theoretical only. See, even though in theory God could make someone pregnant despite the pill (& He does allow it to happen, but don’t confuse His permitting will with His ordaining will), taking contraception is actively saying no & God gives us free will – He does not rape anyone.

        • Guest

          The ‘real world contraceptive effectiveness” is due to correct and ‘perfect’ use. Of course if you do not use it correctly then it will not work as well. And as for your last statement: Are you saying that God gives women the right to choose, and yet you are part of a group that wishes to take that away? I’m pretty sure that means that you are saying that you either know better than God, or that you are just openly objecting to his will. As for me looking at the theoretical aspect, it IS religion.

          • QuoVadisAnima

            The ‘contraceptive effectiveness’ numbers are based on situations where everything is working exactly as is TYPICAL as well as in the absence of user error. So if you use the pill completely correctly, but your hormones are following their own unique gameplan or you microbial flora happen to be a little different from the average, etc, then yes, you have a much higher chance of getting pregnant.

            And as for the right to choose, read the Catechism of the Catholic Church regarding free will. Of course God gives women the right to choose – He gives ALL of us the right to choose – the right to choose to do what is right. He does not want automatons; He wants our freely given love.

            Now some of us do not choose to do what is right. Instead we choose to do what we want – putting our will before God’s, thereby making ourselves our own god, in violation of the First Commandment.

            As a society, we recognize that we cannot make these choices of right and wrong for others, BUT we also recognize that there are certain choices people can potentially make that violate the God-given rights of people other than themselves.

            So, yes, you DO have the right to choose to attempt to kill someone, but society has the right, as well as the moral obligation, not to mention the mutual assent of its members, to protect those you would make into victims.

            You are not arguing here for the right to choose to worship God or to disbelieve in Him – outside of our intercessory efforts, that is a right to choose that is between that soul and God. You are arguing for the right of one human being to take the life of another human being aka murder.

            You can legitimately defend the right of one person to make their own choices. You cannot, however, rationally argue the right of one person to take the life of an other innocent, non-consenting human being.

          • Guest

            Okay. let me ask you this. When does God say life begins? When is it a “life?” and where do the rights of the fetus begin, and the rights of the mother end? I have spent over ten years studying religion, eight including the Catholic Doctrine, so yes I do know where the church stands on this. I have also seen how interpretations of the Bible have gone awry. What I would like is the answers to the above questions based off of what God, not Peter or the current pope, say on this controversial subject. Unfortunately, that information does not exist, except within your own heart. I believe in supporting a child’s right to thrive so I am prolife,yet I have lived a blessed life. Had I lived another life and been in other situations, I may have different ideas. That is why I am prochoice for everyone else, I cannot possibly know their situation and therefore cannot decide what is best for their child. The decision they make is between them and God.
            Either way the fetus does not understand the decision being made and I believe that God will still take care of the small soul, just as in miscarriages. Still leaving the decision as well as the repercussions between God and the mother.

          • QuoVadisAnima

            Am I correct in thinking, based on what you have written here, that you are a fallen away Catholic?

            How long you have studied religion or Catholic doctrine does not actually matter near so much as who you studied with.

            Given that science states that a new human life begins at conception, and Scripture tells us that Jesus’ conception occurred when He became incarnate – God become Man – in the Blessed Virgin’s womb, it is not really that difficult to know when life begins either scientifically or religiously.

            If you spent some time researching the methods used in abortion, that would also help you to recognize that a helpless, innocent human being is being murdered.

            So what reason can possibly justify brutally taking the life of a helpless, innocent human being?

          • Guest

            You are rather out of touch with the life of the mother. there are many reasons that a woman could want to not have a child that don’t involve her being a “slut.” Also science says that it is an individual being. That does not mean it has the consciousness to understand what is happening. As for the scripture, it is again “theory.” Open for interpretation. Oh and as for my studies, I studied with eleven different instructors. It is not the God I dislike, it is the interpretations of his book that I dislike.

          • QuoVadisAnima

            I invited you to put me in touch. And no, I never even remotely suggested that the only reason a woman would abort was because she was a slut – that came entirely from your mindset not mine.

            Science says that it is a human being. Period. Science does not yet show what level of consciousness the human being in the womb has or does not have. Shouldn’t we err on the side of compassion as opposed to butchering first and worrying about whether or not they were aware of it later?

            Furthermore, since when does a lack of consciousness or awareness allow anyone the right to take a life? Is it okay for me to kill you if you are in a coma? Is it okay for me to kill you if you are first knocked unconscious? Is it okay for me to kill you while you are asleep?

            As for your religious studies, I simply state again, it matters more WHO you learn from than how long – or how many instructors you had either. Where did you develop the idea that discernment of God’s Word is simply a matter of finding the interpretive version that pleases you?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ana-Dee/100002560591777 Ana Dee

    Can you provide any scientific source* that names fetus as a parasite, or parasitic, or having parasitic nature. Can you provide any source that shows there is one more parasite in the nature that is being hosted by its own kind.Can you provide any source that shows there are instances in the nature host creates its own parasite.