How Some Kids With A Van Are Changing The Pro-Life Movement

David Pomerantz

On March 13, in Dallas, TX, an organization you’ve probably never heard of is going to revolutionize the pro-life movement.

It starts with a kid from Philly, a bus in New York, and an idea that brought him quite by accident to the city where Roe v. Wade started — the city where he hopes abortion will finally meet its match.

David Pomerantz, 23, does not look like a pro-lifer or a practicing Christian. He looks like a vegan hipster with emo hair. As a matter of fact, he sort of is a vegan hipster with emo hair. If you visit his loft apartment in an industrial section of downtown Dallas, he will offer you fermented tea with organic honey. You can lounge in a beanbag chair and talk about art while he surfs his Macbook and plays indie music and talks about Jesus.

A polite, friendly young man with a laconic kid-from-nowhere accent and a direct blue gaze, David Pomerantz — “Dave” to his friends — does not jibe with the stereotypical image of the angry activist holding signs outside a clinic. And he doesn’t mind, because that’s not the kind of pro-life activist Dave is.

He hails from Philadelphia, but he was attending Word of Life, a two-year Bible institute in New York, when he met Chris Slattery and Julie Beyel of EMC (Expectant Mother Care), a Manhattan pregnancy resource center. He was astonished to find that EMC had formulated a “new model” for approaching women outside abortion clinics.

EMC had a bus equipped with a sonogram machine. By approaching women outside the clinic with the offer of free help, with no mention of a pro-life ideology, they were able to see a staggering success rate. In fact, by their estimate, about 70% of women who got on the bus for a sonogram decided not to abort. In one day, they saw nine women decide on life for their children.

They did some simple math, and realized that if this success continued, 15 to 25 women a week, or about 800 a year, would choose life.

Excited by the possibilities inherent in this new approach, Dave contacted his friend and mentor Joe Baker, who flew in from Philly to see the results firsthand. Equally impressed, the two began to ferment the idea that would become Save the Storks.

Dave was already planning on attending Southwestern Theological Seminary in Dallas, so he headed down south. With Joe Baker developing the art and marketing, and the generous help of Dallas-based organization Get Involved for Life and other private donors to bring to life a sleeker, smaller, more mobile ultrasound vehicle, they were off and running.

Save the Storks was born. Or, if you prefer, flown in through the window.

 

“We don’t want to intimidate anyone. We don’t want to force anyone. We just want to serve.” Dave is the Local Director for Save the Storks. Today, along with Daryl Harshbarger, Head Female Client Advocate, and Julie Beyel in town from New York, we are having pizza (some of it vegan) in Southeast Dallas. Dave is explaining to me why Save the Storks is a new kind of pro-life action.

“No one is offended by our activism,” he says. “We’re delivering a loving message in a strong way.”

Here’s what happens: a woman is walking up to an abortion clinic. She is approached by Dave or Daryl or another member of Save the Storks.

“Hi, how are you? Would you like a free ultrasound?”

This is the approach. There is no dangling rosary, no graphic pamphlet, no doom-and-gloom. Just an offer of free help from a non-threatening, friendly, smiling young person.

And then there is the Stork bus.

The stork was chosen as the mascot because of its comforting, unoffensive, nostalgic connection to motherhood and pregnancy. We can all remember old cartoons where a smiling stork would fly in a window and lay a swaddled baby in a crib.

What Dave and the others weren’t aware of until later is the text of Job 39:13-17.

The wings of the ostrich flap joyfully, but are her feathers and plumage like the stork’s?

She abandons her eggs on the ground and lets them be warmed in the sand.

She forgets that a foot may crush them or that some wild animal may trample them.

She treats her young harshly, as if they were not her own, with no fear that her labor may have been in vain.

For God has deprived her of wisdom; He has not endowed her with understanding.

This is the kind of thing that makes you whistle the Twilight Zone theme music.

The Stork bus, however, is free of all Old Testament references. It is a bright, lovely blue on the outside, and the inside is clean and free of clutter, with a welcoming but no-nonsense clinical feel. There is a little couch for the mother to sit on and speak to a counselor, and a padded bench where she can lie comfortably.

The ultrasound machine pulls out from underneath the bench. It is operated only by a licensed sonographer whose work is frequently reviewed by an OB/Gyn. In the back there is a small private toilet for pregnancy testing. It isn’t the slightest bit cramped or unpleasant; these mothers get only the best. The completed bus with the ultrasound machine was paid for by private donations to the tune of about $140,000.

The Stork bus is by no means the first mobile ultrasound vehicle — it was Chris Slattery’s mobile sonogram bus that inspired Dave and Joe in the first place — but it may be the smallest, lightest, and most practical. It doesn’t require a permit or special permission to park. It will fit in a parking space or even at a meter.

It is an abortion clinic’s worst nightmare.

 

So now this woman, who was going to go into an abortion clinic, is able to have a pregnancy test and a sonogram without ever reaching its doors.

But what happens now? She’s heard, “Yes, you’re pregnant! You’re this far along! There’s your baby! Here’s his heartbeat!”

So what does she hear next? “Good luck with that?”

Nope. Save the Storks is directly connected to Get Involved for Life and the two pregnancy centers it operates in Dallas, one uptown and one downtown. Also, needless to say, any expectant mother will be welcomed by whatever pregnancy center is closest to the bus at the time. The Stork team is prepared to call a cab for the mother if she needs a ride.

In other words, unlike the abortion clinic, the Storks and the pregnancy centers are in it for the long haul. They are going to get her what she needs to take care of herself and her baby, body and soul.

I don't know about you, but I would be totally comfortable peeing in there.

“The heart of this ministry is the Gospel,” says Dave, after asking for more vegan marinara sauce. “There are two causes every Christian should take up: orphans and widows. This encompasses both.”

It is part of Save the Storks’ mission that every woman who steps on the bus hears the Gospel message. While this may seem off-putting to some, to the Storks it is an essential aspect of caring for the mother that goes along with the physical support and counseling she will receive through the pregnancy center.

“She is just as important as that child,” says Dave. “We aim to improve her quality of life… The major issue here is the devaluation of life, and the answer to every injustice on earth is the church of Jesus Christ.”

“Our ministry is designed to meet all the needs of the woman,” says Daryl. At the pregnancy center, every mother will receive whatever her personal situation calls for, be it help with affordable medical care, legal aid to escape from an abusive boyfriend, life skills counseling, mental health counseling, spiritual guidance, and more.

Which of course begs the question: if the Storks’ mission is in fact successful and Dallas pregnancy centers see 800 or so more mothers every year, how will they handle the added demand for resources?

The answer is simply: us.

“The churches need to stand up and start giving to their local pregnancy centers,” says Dave.

Without the generous help of good-hearted people giving what they can, pregnancy centers can’t work, and by extension neither can the Storks.

 

Daryl Harshbarger, Head Female Client Advocate. I don't think it's a requirement that you be extremely cute to be a part of Save the Storks, but it obviously can't hurt.

Abortion clinic workers and management are used to seeing protesters outside their clinic. What they are not used to is a name brand.

The Save the Storks bus is slick, recognizable, welcoming, and — horror of horrors — it sits in between a mother and the abortion clinic doors. With a simple offer of no-strings-attached help — “Would you like a free ultrasound?” — and a bright, comforting image, it appeals to the desperate woman before she reaches the clinic.

She is not confronted. She is offered help. And while I firmly believe that virtually all sidewalk counselors and activists outside clinic are there for no other reason than to help women, the Storks are able to present help first. That is the key. The average clinic sidewalk approach is, of necessity, “Please don’t kill your baby. Here’s why. And here’s help.” Because they have their awesome bus, Save the Storks are able to say, “Here’s help. Now please don’t kill your baby. Here’s why.”

Because they don’t have to lead with agenda, there are no warning bells for a desperate and defensive mother. There is only a friendly face.

This new model will absolutely revolutionize the front lines of pro-life activism.

 

 

Joe Baker, National Director

What is the battle cry of the pro-abortion movement? “Choice!” It is their mantra. What do you constantly hear from abortion advocates? “These desperate women feel like they are out of options.”

Right here, on four wheels, parked in front of the clinic, is another choice — one they might not even know they have. Inside that bus is an image of their baby waiting to be seen. Connected to that bus is a support system — in short, options.

Dave and the team have high hopes, and they should. The approach is breathtakingly simple and, if early tests are any indication, profoundly effective.

As mentioned, the Storks take to the streets of Dallas on March 13. Meanwhile their website is up and running at SaveTheStorks.com with the purpose of raising money to take the program national. A Save the Storks bus is not cheap, and it takes people to run it. While Dave and his team get things off the ground in Dallas, Joe is in charge of building a national movement.

The thought of a Stork bus in every major city in America should bring a smile to your face. Every one of these buses represents hundreds of lives saved every year.

I have met Dave and the gang. I have been on board the Stork bus. And I have never been more excited about a pro-life idea than I am about this one.

You probably are having the same reaction I did. You are probably thinking: “What can I do to help?”

First: spread the word. Use Facebook, Twitter, Twitbook, whatever, to share with people how awesome this is.

Second: go to SaveTheStorks.com now and volunteer. They need all kinds of stuff — bloggers, artists, counselors, you name it — all across the country to be part of their national team of Save the Storks volunteers. Whatever your talent is, Save the Storks can probably use it to help get Stork programs off and running across the country. You — yes, you! — can be a part of this movement from the ground up.

Third: donate if you can. Save your Starbucks money for a few days and buy a ridiculously cool Save the Storks T-shirt. Wear it and tell people about it. (I promise they’ll be curious.)

In just a few days, Dave, Daryl, and their remarkable bus hit the streets of Dallas, the city where abortion rights were born. As a native Dallasite, I hope what started here is ended here. And I wouldn’t be surprised if Save the Storks becomes a major factor in helping Dallas — and the country — see an end to abortion.

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Kristen Walker is a writer and comedian who makes people mad on the Internet. She is Vice President of New Wave Feminists and enjoys taxidermy, yachting, and 19th century French poetry. Stalk her relentlessly for fun and profit.

  • Sbpranger

    the point that really needs stressed to women going to abortion clinics to decide if they are going to get one or not that the abortion clinics are not being honest with them about anything like the future after having an abortion, the risks involved and the ultrasound they get at abortion clinics are of VERY poor quality and do not show the true detail of their child.

    • Didaskalos

      . . . not to mention the fact that these women are almost never offered, unless state law compels it,  a chance to see their abortion-clinic ultrasounds.  

      http://www.lifenews.com/2012/03/01/virginia-senate-ultrasound-bill-heads-to-gov-mcdonnell/  —  “Seven states have laws that require an ultrasound for each abortion and require the abortion practitioner to offer the opportunity to view the image: Alabama, Arizona, Florida, Louisiana, North Carolina, Okahoma and Mississippi.”

      • Sbpranger

        my own daughter had an ultrasound at a abortion clinic and it looked like a fuzzy and blurry blob. I took her to get a real ultrasound at the doctors office and hospital and she saw for real what her baby looked like. I also work in the ultrasound/radiography business so I knew what I was and was not seeing. I’ve also watched ultrasounds(selective abortions) where needles are inserted to kill little babies early on in life when a woman is pregnant with maybe two or three babies and she only wants one. I’ve watched the little babies try to get away from the needle. so even at this very early stage of life the babies know what is happening to themselves. People just need to see it for real!!! I watched this at a seminar at was so shocked & sickened. My boss had no idea they would be showing us what they did. I also have twins so it was very upseting to me!!!

    • dice1984

      Exactly, there is a difference between doing an ultrasound and allowing the woman to look at what you are looking at…

  • Raven13

    I love this so much! Thank you for posting about this, Save the Storks sounds amazing! This approach makes complete sense when you think about it. I’m surprised this is  only now taking effect. God bless! 

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1177875102 Rebecca Spotswood

    OH! I wanna do this!!!! This REALLY seems to encompass all aspects of what being pro-life is all about: TRULY helping women! Off I go to their website!

  • JadeSpartan

    I. LOVE. THIS. THIS is the kind of activism I would actually be a part of!!! Whenever I can make a trip to visit my mom in Malakoff, I’m going to make sure I find these guys and give ALL of them a great big hug!!! What an amazing idea! Well done!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=744340119 Linda Patterson Baker

    This is amazing!!!!   I will be praying from Bolivia and hopefully donating to this.   

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1261719338 Christin Nicole Boyce

    This article brings joy to my heart! I love it when people come up with more creative ways to truly help people and bring them to Christ! Praise God for Save the Storks!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=40404298 Karen Cornelius Renneke

    I love this group of young people, who are putting God and life before themselves.  Truly unselfish and loving.  God Bless them all.

  • Kellyelovesyouu

    This is so incredibly amazing!!!!!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001485371359 Grace Garner

    This is BRILLIANT! I’m donating! 😀

    • http://www.facebook.com/WarriorJoeBaker Joe Baker

      Thank you Grace!  We would love to have you as a partner!  You will experience great joy in knowing that you are a part of this monumental work.  Way to Save A Stork!  

    • http://www.facebook.com/WarriorJoeBaker Joe Baker

      Here is the link to donate.  http://www.savethestorks.com/index.php/donate

  • Jordan Elizabeth

    That’s AMAZING! This makes me want to drop out of school and work on one :)

    And I think it was really funny how much Kristen emphasized that he is vegan

  • TERI COLBY

    It is wonderful to see the next generation taking up the cross against abortion! I pray for their success in doing God’s work! I was somewhat disappointed by the description used to categorize the movement that has been towing the line for the last 40 years. Forty Days for Life Campaign HAS revolutionized the way that we pro-lifers are seen. We do stand in front of the clinics and pray, some do have rosary beads. But we DO NOT intimidate the young women because we know very well that a conversion of heart needs to take place and that CANNOT be done if they are being attacked. Also, there are side walk councilors available with information and a free ride to the nearest pregnancy crisis center with a sonogram machine. Our rate of saving babies may not be as dramatic, but I can assure you that we are making a difference in these lives through prayer and guidance. Most of the women that sidewalk counsel (  including myself) have been in their shoes and that is priceless when you are trying to make a connection in a matter of minutes.  WELCOME TO THE MOVEMENT!

    • Kristen W.

      I have prayed at 40 Days for Life and been involved in the pro-life movement for years. The simple fact is, being able to offer the ultrasound before anything else is revolutionary. I am fully aware that virtually no one outside the clinic intends to intimidate women — I have been trained in sidewalk counseling — but it’s simply way easier to convince a woman to step onto a bus than to get in a car and go somewhere else. Save the Storks are not BETTER than the pro-lifers outside clinics right now; they just have a better approach through better marketing and better resources. God bless every last person in front of clinics and all the lives they save, but this new model WILL save more lives. I hope we can all join together to help it spread across the country.

      • teri

        Wouldn’t it be wonderful if we could get a piece of the PLANNED PARENTHOOD $500 MIL. Government pie to buy more of these vans to be used all over the country!..An idea who’s time has come.

        • teri

          a side note for anyone interested in getting involved in this life saving ministry.. go to http://www.fortydaysforlife and find out where you can go to stand in peaceful vigil as witness for the Culture of Life..

  • Letscook1

    I’m sorry but I’m very skeptical of the story. After Ted Bundy it’s hard for me to imagine a woman getting into a van with strangers. And most states have laws about people approaching women at clinics.

    • enness

      Legitimate organizations are transparent and researchable.  Unlike Ted Bundy, who claimed to be all sorts of people he was not (like chief of the fire department), they can prove who they are, and tell people where they plan on being and when.  The more visibility this gets, the less it will be a problem.

      Those laws are pretty obviously meant to target “protesters.”  These folks aren’t protesters.  They don’t even need to approach anyone, they could hold a sign.

      • David P.

        Couldn’t have said it better myself Enness.

  • Jobin Thomas

    This is amazing!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-McCleary/1150151448 Michael McCleary

    Great!!! It is too bad the author had to make a lil’ dig at the Church with her “dangling rosary” comment.
    For the last couple of years, the Knights have been buying and placing free ultrasound units in area hospitals for this same purpose, but a van is a wonderful idea!

    • Kristen W.

      I am a Catholic. I love dangling rosaries. That was not a dig at the Church. It was a way of illustrating the point that abortion-minded women often see an agenda before they see an offer of help, and reversing the order of things is a powerful tool for reaching mothers.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-McCleary/1150151448 Michael McCleary

        “There is no dangling rosary, no graphic pamphlet, no doom-and-gloom” that she lumped a beautiful and humble devotional prayer in with “doom and gloom” does show a slight, hopefully unconscious, bigotry on her part.
        As an ex-Protestant I admit this is sadly often the norm, and I only point it out so that this type of ignorance may be removed from this talented writer’s (and her readers’) thought process.

        • David P

          The writer of this article was Catholic. 

        • MoonChild02

          The commenter above you, Kristen W., is Kristen Walker, author of the article.

      • Hope S.

        22 years ago I saw people who were judging me.  I don’t recall whether they called out to me, I just remember the signs and being scared and intimidated by them.

        Now I know their compassion.  That they wanted me to avoid making a devastating, heart breaking mistake.

        Regardless of good intentions, it’s important for anyone outside a clinic to remember how they felt at the time.  I thought Kristen did an excellent job of describing the scene from the pregnant mother’s view.  The Storkmobile would be much more welcoming, and in fact for many, a welcome respite from both the “protesters” and the clinic they didn’t really want to go in anyway.

    • David P.

      We are actually working with the KOC right now, the writer who is Catholic was just trying to point out that we are strategic in sharing our faith;-D

  • Vairyangel

    So beautiful, I cried tears of joy while reading this article. God bless you all involved.

  • enness

    Awesome.  I can totally picture them outside our city clinic.

    Pomerantz is a cute vegan hipster with emo hair…is that silly of me?

    • Cute Vegan Hipster

      Thanks Enness;-D

  • Joe

    Thanks for all the encouraging comments!  And Thanks for such a great blog about Storks.  Ann and I are currently in China spreading the word.  We are so grateful for all of your support!  

    • Kathryn Taylor

      Hey Joe! I’m real excited to see this great article. Thanks for putting feet to the vision the Lord gave Dave and you!

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1474900056 Christy Volanski

      Nothing inspires and gives hope like pro-life youth in action! God bless you!

    • Laurel

       Joe, thank you so much for the work that you and your team are doing! This article brought joy to my heart! Thank you for standing up and making a difference in the lives of women and children.  Thank you for standing up for life!  My heart frequently feels so burdened by the legal state of things, but it’s encouraging to see a light (several actually recently – Save the Storks, the 180 movie, and several other things I’ve read about…) shining in the darkness! Also, excited to hear you’re in China! Would love to know more about what you’re doing here… I live in China. :) 

  • Mike

    This is pretty gross. I appreciate that these guys “don’t want to intimidate anyone” and “don’t want to force anyone,” but I have a problem with a “23 year old vegan hipster christian” boy being the person who is offering an alternative to these women. Thanks for being respectful in your approach, but I think assuming that women who seek abortions haven’t thought the options over before choosing to go through with the procedure is pretty disrespectful in itself, regardless of the approach, especially when they are already being intimidated by the requirement of sonograms. Respect in your approach is a good place to start, but go a step further and respect people’s right to make choices for themselves.

    • MoonChild02

      A lot of women are actually pushed into abortion. They don’t choose it for themselves. Hence, the reason for the “options” counselors.  Those counselors never give them options like being helped with food, lodging, bill paying, job hunting, etc. like we do at pregnancy resource centers. The fact that there are women who turn around all the time when we offer help proves that there are many women who go to abortion clinics without being sure of what they want. These young adults are just offering women another view. The women can always go back later on in the day if they change their minds again. If they have their minds made up, they can still go in and see the abortionist. No one in this situation is forcing anyone to do anything.

      Besides, you’re forgetting, “It’s a woman’s prerogative to change her mind.” – author unknown.

  • Brtippin

    WONDERFUL!!!!!

  • Bob

    Come get in my van while I touch your lady parts….

    • David Pomerantz

      Seeing as its an ultrasound it has nothing to do with lady parts. 

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Destiny-Gonzalez/100000339164150 Destiny Gonzalez

      That is sick. Do you even know what they do at an ob/gyn visit? They feel your stomach and MAYBE a check of the cervix. Nothing more physical than that. I should know. I have 3 children.

    • dice1984

      Your ignorance isn’t funny… Ultrasounds are non-evasive…

      • http://www.facebook.com/jeep.obsessed Brooke Mehr

         I think you mean non-invasive.

    • Sbpranger

      wow! ignorance is bliss I guess!!!

  • Bob

    Come get in my van while I touch your lady parts….

  • Rose

    Wow, music to my ears!

  • pregnanthelpnow.com

    Letting a woman know that she does have choices is one of the greatest things we can do. God bless this man, and lets hope the various churches step up to the call he’s issuing them, imagine having one of these buses in every major city…

  • GirlScoutMom

    Save the Storks is the antidote to the culture of death being promulgated by pseudo-intellectuals who now believe “post-birth” abortion is the key to female happiness. I needed to hear about your wonderful, new program today! What an emotional boost! God bless you all!

  • Cblackford

    I’m pro-choice and agnostic, but I still support this. 

    • http://www.facebook.com/TheTruthIsEndless David Pomerantz

      Im Pro-life and Christian, But I support you Cblackford. Thank you for having a open mind.

      • Marie

        gotta say, I’m pro-choice and impressed by this idea too. because it’s respectful and caring and offers real assistance, instead of just telling a woman she’s evil.

        • Shelly

          I am prolife and am so glad to hear this from a person who may believe differently then me but is truely wanting to seek what is best for a woman and realizing this is a true help.

          • Rachel Peller

            I’m pro-life, atheist, and three years late for this conversation, but I like it a lot.

    • 4mercy

      May you seek truth and find it. Read the book of John and Isaiah 53, Psalm 139.One day every knee WILL bow and every tongue WILL confess that Jesus Christ is Lord.(Phil.2:11) Better sooner than later.

      John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

    • 4mercy

      May you seek truth and find it. Read the book of John and Isaiah 53, Psalm 139.One day every knee WILL bow and every tongue WILL confess that Jesus Christ is Lord.(Phil.2:11) Better sooner than later.

      John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

    • Sarah Pierson

      pro choice is a cop out!

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Les-Mcc/666624085 Les Mcc

      and why wouldn’t someone support something like this…after all, most of us were probably a fetus at one time!

    • Bianca

      I am prochoice, this is a great approach. Once I went to a clinic, just for the test because my doctor couldn’t do the blood test, and I knew I was pregnant. Pregnancy test for pee don’t work on me. I was surrounded by people who didn’t know why I was there, judging me. It was it someone I would the time of day to listen at that approach.

    • Sarah

      Pro Choice=Cop out!

    • brisonc3

      how could anyone not support this?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Destiny-Gonzalez/100000339164150 Destiny Gonzalez

    I cannot begin to explain how impressed I am, by this idea. It is definently revolutionary, inspiring, and leaves you feeling happy inside thinking about it. I also want one of those shirts. Not because they are awesome and spreading a spectacular idea. That where the proceeds are going. I can’t stop smiling. My face hurts.
     

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Destiny-Gonzalez/100000339164150 Destiny Gonzalez

    I cannot begin to explain how impressed I am, by this idea. It is definently revolutionary, inspiring, and leaves you feeling happy inside thinking about it. I also want one of those shirts. Not because they are awesome and spreading a spectacular idea. That where the proceeds are going. I can’t stop smiling. My face hurts.
     

  • Titancrazy604

    very cool . . . love the dedication to the gospel being spoken to each person.  This is more than worth supporting

  • April

    What an amazing idea, and an awesome opportunity to share the love of Jesus in a practical way!! Praise God for people who are willing to use their time, talents, and resources to offer hope to a literally “dying” world… Bless your efforts, and we will spread the word!

  • Lesmitchell

    i live in Northeast philadelphia very close to the “Northeast womens Center” and we need a stork bus. What can i do to get this started. The people praying the rosary out front holding graphic pictures of dead fetus’s does NOT reach these scared girls/women. I have been praying and this is the answer. Tell me please how to get this started!

    • David
    • http://www.facebook.com/TheTruthIsEndless David Pomerantz

      Go to Save The Storks.com and contact us.

  • April Frew

    I pray we get one here in Columbus Ohio …. What an awesome way to save the unborn

  • Rocco Ryg

    Where is Yahoo’s liberal bias again?

    Seriously, rabid right-wingers always acccuse media that doesn’t spread their preferred message as being “liberal media.” It’s their automatic response to different views that gives them license to ignore the story. However, stories like this hint that Yahoo is not liberal at all.

  • Eve

    I appreciate this rather greatly. My main issue with hardcore pro-lifers is that they don’t offer viable options to the mother of the child – this does. Thank you.

  • 24thec

    What a despicable way to manipulate a mind and emotions already in a terrible state of desperation!  Where are the little holier-than-thou types going to be when it’s time to help feed and care for these children?

    • MoonChild02

      That is what we have pregnancy resource centers for, to help women, children, and families after the babies are born.

      Save the Storks is not a “despicable way to manipulate a mind and emotions”, it is giving women another choice. Many women do not want to have an abortion, they just feel they do not have a choice. Options counselors do not offer the help we do at PRCs, like food, lodging, bill paying, job hunting, baby items, clothing, medical, etc. Not to mention that women turn around all the time due to us offering information on PRCs outside of the abortion centers. The fact that they turn around means that there are many who do change their minds, who go there without knowing what they want to do. If they really want the abortion, they can always decline the ultrasound and go into the abortion clinic, or go back later in the day.

      No one is forcing anyone to do anything. You make it sound like pro-lifers are abusing these women and strong-arming them into a decision. Save the Storks is offering another choice. If you’re against this, then that means that you’re not for choice. You just prove that pro-lifers are right when we call people like you pro-abortion. Think on that for a bit.

      As I said above, you are forgetting that, “It’s a woman’s prerogative to change her mind.”

    • Sbpranger

      there are plenty of couples that can’t have children standing in line for these babies!!! think about all the lives!!! not just the mother but the BABY!!! the BABY is a person in a desperate situation too!!! That BABY has a mind and emotions too!!! HELP THEM BOTH!!! There is plenty of food and care for both!!!

    • LivingByLogic

      I agree. Pro-choice people really are pro-choice, but what pro-life fail to realize,is that for most women choosing abortion, it is literally THEIR only option, despite all the help from these pregnancy crisis centers and the like. People also seem to forget (not so much these Save the Storks people as our fellow readers) that the possible mother is a person as well, she becomes a vessel in their eyes. As for all the couples lining up to help these BABIES…well in the U.S alone there are over 2 million orphans under the age of 18, so I’m pretty sure these couples can get their child, and they will do a great job raising that child, but let’s not add to this unfortunate number of orphans.

       Also, if anyone wants an interesting look at the Roe v. Wade decision made in 1973, read Freakanomics by Steven D. Levitt an Stephen J. Dubner. It should open your eyes to the way society actually works and flows. 

    • Kim

      Where are the “kill your baby, you will be better off types” after the woman has indeed offed her baby and has extreme self loathing, remorse and forgiveness of self?  Ohhh yea…… they are non existent. Got it.

  • Jjos

    Even as a generally amoral person, I wish I had some extra cash to support these folks.

  • http://twitter.com/prncesswarior Elizabeth Becerra

    When are you coming to San Diego County?  San Marcos needs you.

    • MoonChild02

      I second that.

      • http://www.facebook.com/TheTruthIsEndless David Pomerantz

        When will you have the money raised?

  • Mamapooler

    There is one giant, gaping, cavernous hole in this wonderful ministry.  Who follows up to make sure that the scared mom-to-be has someone to walk alongside her as she follows through with her decision to choose life?  I work with pregnant and parenting teens and many of them are homeless and have NO support from families, friends and the church community.  As a Christian Social Worker, I could argue that you all are taking the easy (wider) path.  The true challenge of the pro life movement is not simply preventing an abortion, but offering the birth mother resources to keep a roof over her head, transportation to medical appointments and work, counseling, education, adoption options, or finding a mentor to embody Christ to her as she prepares to become a mother. 

    • David p.

      Actually Mama, we work with all the local pregnancy centers. We literally have programs that help women for their pregnancy, and 2 years after the child is born.

      • concerned pro family

        Then what after 2 years????

        These babies you are saving need a home far beyond 2 years, don’t you think?

        • http://www.facebook.com/TheTruthIsEndless David Pomerantz

          Nope, because after two years the babies become a toddler, and there are other ministries that are dedicated to helping grow healthy families that we refer them to.

          Two of my best friends grew up in horrible homes. One with one mother, and the other with both parents.

          Abused, neglected, and living in poor conditions.

          Today those two friends helped to make me who I am. Deciding the value of life based on living conditions is like judging who should be allowed to live based on race.

          The women we service WANT to keep their children. We show them how.

          • concerned pro-family

            You have precisely proved my point with crystal clarity. Until the amount of energy and resources are spent to support these children through to adulthood or beyond if the child is disabled, I cannot support your efforts. The right wing protects the child until it is born then doesn’t provide the lifelong support needed to bring the child out of abject poverty and abuse.

          • David P

            Did you happen to skip over the part where I said that we refer them to other organizations that specialize in further family and child development? Usually mothers stop coming to us after two years because our classes and programs are so useful. 

            We have limited space, and limited funds. If we had unlimited amounts of money we could maybe be involved until the child is 18. But the truth is that we can’t do everything. What we can do is connect with other programs and resources, and get those to our clients. 

            Why would you not support women who want to have their child, but cannot without our help?

  • Jasonm

    If the aborted baby couldn’t live outside the mother’s womb if it came out during the 8-12 weeks….. then how is it murder?

    • gratefulforofficers

      JasonM ~ Think of it this way.  If a child is born needing oxygen, should we help them?  Obviously, they need the extra assistance. The child couldn’t live without it; does that mean the child loses the right to life?

      The mother’s womb is a safe place for the baby to mature until they can handle the harsh reality of our environment.  That baby still has a heartbeat (at six weeks); still has fingerprints, etc., that are unique to only itself, all before ten weeks.  That baby just needs to mature so it can handle life outside the womb. 

      I hope that helps!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/MZIM5SWTIXZ5OROJF33MTXE644 Betty

    Who is going to support these babies.? You . me our taxes. Great Then what are the mothers supposed to do? Dads have long ago disappeared. Grand parents take cane of many of these children and many, many are abused. This is real. Not lets all hold hands and sing kombyby or whatever.

    • miko

      Kumbaya translated means “come by here”, in a way that is what this program is inviting pregnant women to do. They have a choice to say no, yes, and then change their mind. I think taxes being raised is a weak and generalized argument that most who choose abortion are on government aid/ or will be dependent on it. That is a fallacy.

    • Sbpranger

      that’s why parents need to teach their kids better and raise them to understand abstinence and responsibility. Dads need to be made to be accountable and not disappear. As long as they have DNA they can be tracked down & made to be responsible.

    • Mattyc9

       If the problem is “no one cares about these babies”, it seems to me like the best solution is “get people caring about these babies”.

  • http://www.facebook.com/mommadonna Donna Merkley Dangler

    YOU are a blessing to the helpless, and hopeless. YOU rock, God is using you in a powerful way.
    blessings
    donna

  • SB

    This is great!!

  • Molly

    I had the privilege of seeing them this summer in Manitou Springs, CO at a camp I work at. I am thrilled that the bus is ready to go! Like the article said get one or more of their amazing T-shirts…not only are they super attention attracters but its a great opportunity to talk to a total stranger about something so important. My God bless Save the Storks!!!!

    • bubbalouwee

      I ordered three T-shirts yesterday, one for my sister and two for myself.  Can we get a save the stork bus in Appleton, Wisconsin? 

  • Rfd657

    Praise and kudos to you guys for your great work and devotion. It is a joy to me to see the younger generation  (I’m 83)  standing tall for a good principle. God Bless; I will be contributing and spreading the word.

  • http://www.facebook.com/kevin.botterbusch Kevin Botterbusch

    I think the Church is doing a terrible job at addressing sexuality and creating a culture of shame, and in this case I find it troubling that people think that offering a sonogram is helping a woman, how is this help? They aren’t asking for this service and many may even feel obligated/pressured rather than helped by this. I do wonder what do they do if the woman gets a sonogram, says thank you and just promptly walks into the abortion clinic? Is she implicitly condemned than as a result?
    This may be a more “effective” means at getting a woman to not get an abortion, but I don’t think its by any means a solution to the real issue of addressing taboo in our church culture about sex, and how woman are shamed and queer people are thrown under the bus. I think when dialogue occurs on these issues and hearts are open to being truly helpful and forgiving and being willing to listen, rather than provide solutions, that the rates of abortion will decrease. As we treat people with dignity and respect, rather than as a target I think there too we also will reduce abortions, but not only that we will be living out the Gospel, since it won’t just be about finding the most clever scheme to try and get woman not to abort, instead it will be about addressing the complexity of human sexuality and its consequences within a healthy and open community. 
    Being Pro-life is about caring for these woman, and asking ourselves as the Christian community how do we provide dignity to life and how to we stop the cultural shame and degradation that has occurred because of the Church in matters of sexuality. 
    Why woman get an abortion is very complicated and I am not one to reduce it to one thing, but I imagine many Christian woman choose abortion and are amongst those using the services of those clinics partly because the Church in all its rhetoric has abused them stripped them of any sense of value and perhaps abandoned them altogether, shunned them, or simply didn’t educate them about sex in the first place, so to say a bus outside a clinic is the right focus of the Pro-Life movement misses the true heart of this issue, that abortion isn’t just a procedure that should just be prevented, its in fact a symptom of the larger failure that the Church has in its silent or callous and even hostile approach towards sexuality, it shouldn’t be a bus outside of an abortion clinic that addresses this issue it should be us as a community looking at how we can truly dignify life.  

    • http://www.facebook.com/TheTruthIsEndless David Pomerantz

      We actually provide post abortion counseling. And if the woman needs anything that we can offer we give it to her. 

      Save the Storks is 100% focused on the woman. 

      What is the message that you think the church should be telling people about Sex Kevin?

      • http://www.facebook.com/kevin.botterbusch Kevin Botterbusch

        Well for one thing I thing the discussion needs to happen at all in a lot of places. Beyond even just content a significant thing is that the tone and attitudes towards sexuality needs to change significantly. For the most part I think the discussion that happens at all is surface level and sorta “one man and one woman only have sex when married, the rest is grave sin!” either way its often not a dialogue that occurs but directives from above about what is the TRUTH on the topic. Leaving no room for doubts or for questions. This alienates anyone who doesn’t fit the mold like other LGBT Christians, and it forces people to hid themselves and not talk about whats going on in their life.
        There is often little room for grace let alone disagreement on some of these fundamental premises. Like people want to assume everyone is celibate before marriage, and sort of subtly hint that marriage is a goal for everyone no matter what. Consequently, many young people get no education on birth control or preventing STI, and people who do have sex are treated with disdain. A woman shouldn’t have to fear that she will lose her family or her community if they find out that she got pregnant.
        So on some level, there just needs to be open gracious dialogue within the Church to hear people’s voices on this issue and even to provide frank and open education. It shouldn’t be a taboo that people blush over, but something we can address openly. This I think will significantly reduce shame and ignorance about sexuality, as well as make the Church the first place people go to if they end up pregnant. 
        If the Church has a reputation as being a place where people don’t get judgement but are received without any agenda open arms in love, it is that kind of relationship that will mend hearts and transform issues like this. 
        People have been choosing to have abortions whether they were legal or not, the issue that we as the Church face should be creating a culture within our community where unplanned pregnancy is less common, and condemnation and fear are the last thing people will face in terms of their sexuality. 
        Being able to be open and loving (and not in the BS we love you despite your sin line or we love you with a tough love stance) truly listening and being there for those who are the marginalized in society is at the heart of the Gospel.
        When we bring that radical othercenteredness and allow room for people’s stories to be told, we are best positioned to prevent abortion and be there with people as they simply walk through life. 

        As for Saving Storks’ activities, I think there is the potential for the very presence of a Christian group here to be traumatizing to woman simply because the Church has been so un-Christ-like on this issue that its reputation is suspect. Not to mention many might find the mere suggestion of getting a sonogram as upsetting, let alone that its meant to be a catalyst to tell them why they should not end their pregnancy which is a strong stated agenda beyond simply being there to help them. I sympathize with the goals of this organization to reduce abortion and promote healthy sexuality, I am just not sure if the venue is the best to achieve it. Thanks for this dialogue btw :)

        • http://www.facebook.com/TheTruthIsEndless David Pomerantz

          Do you think there are any sexual practices that should not be socially accepted? 

          What about the Biblical standards of sexuality, and what the Scripture has to say about it?

          And just for clarification which churches are you referring to? My church recently wrote a book called “sexperiment.” They are very active in promoting a healthy sexuality.

          But do you think there is anything that is considered unhealthy when it comes to sexuality?

          • http://www.facebook.com/kevin.botterbusch Kevin Botterbusch

            As for what churches, I think you can’t speak for all communities rather I am addressing a cultural and systemic problem across many churches when it comes to addressing sexuality. Plus, I think its important to recognize the difference that I was mentioning between having open discourse and thoughtful discussion, with room for disagreement and doubt, and the sort of default evangelical position which leaves little room for differing opinion or discussion and even when the conversation is out there, is often shaming in its tone. 
            As for the role of the Biblical text, I think the Scriptures do have a role in this discussion and there are a lot of well educated and deeply spiritual Christians who have differing opinions on sex and its role within our lives. In fact, there are many (including whole denominations) who read the Scriptures and conclude for instance that people of the same-sex can be married or be in life-long committed relationships. 
            Beyond that, partly because many reject an Evangelical hermenutic in approaching Scripture, there are a fair number of Christians who view sex outside of marriage to not be a universal evil, that it can be a healthy expression of human sexuality that can even be very other-centered. But the issue there isn’t if you believe that marriage is necessary for sex, but that this view has lent itself to shaming and silencing those who disagree or question that assertion and at the very least making the issue a taboo. 

            As for things being unhealthy about sex? Absolutely there are, and I think this is where we can definitely engage with the witness of the Scriptures, which is that it resonates with our experiences and provides a critique and clarity on our actions. Sex that ultimately objectifies the other and is done abusively and with no regard for who the other person is, is detrimental. Its not just a bad thing on a list, it lessens the worth of others and puts us in a place where we view people as an object which is simply a tool used for their own sexual satisfaction. This can be very destructive and this understanding of people propagates itself in harmful ways in the rest of the way we interact with people. Let alone we could comment that of course sexual activity that is based on expressing power and asserting control is likely to be harmful in nearly an context and inconsistent with a biblical understanding of sexuality. Certainly rape and human trafficking is an unmitigated evil. Not to mention risky sexual practices where we devalue ourselves in order to engage in unprotected sex for instance, also is unhealthy. 
            BUT more importantly I think than recognizing and creating a list of Don’t dos, I think its important to foster dialogue on what we do value and what we do to encourage people in achieving that and what expectations we have when people do not meet their own values. 
            When what sex is and when it should happen is either never talked about or is dictated from the top, and there is no room for asking deep personal questions or differing opinions its no surprise that people are kicked out of Churches for being gay and girls are afraid to tell their parents or friends that they are pregnant, or that people feel obligated to hide that they have an STI, or that young people don’t even know what contraception is since they aren’t supposed to have sex anyways. We can do better and part of that is giving up the facade that we are all perfectly celibate (or married) Christians who have no legitimate concerns to hash out in community. 

  • Ellen

    My husband and I got involved in Pro-Life activities in 1972. And we helped start a pro-life movement in a liberal denomination. Even though we push to be understood as having a positive position (saving lives, it’s easy to slide into the “against” mentality or role that reflects the way we are often seen. I think I’ve burned out to some degree. This is such an encouragement and a source of new energy.

    I must say that it would never have occurred to me to describe “a vegan hipster with emo hair” as “not looking like a Christian.”  Seems to me that’s a pretty common profile these days. 

  • cannwego

    I am mostly behind the service being provided here (though I think more women should be involved, but that’s just me) – but how exactly is this taking care of “widows and orphans”? These women aren’t widows, and their future children are not orphans.

    • http://www.facebook.com/TheTruthIsEndless David Pomerantz

      I believe the call to take care of the widows and orphans is more of a call to take care of women and children. In the culture of Jesus’s time there were not very many single women unless they were widowed, and as for children there are many commands about caring for children because of how precious they are.

      And a lot of the women we encounter have been left by their boyfriends, husbands or significant other.

  • guest

    Amazing simple idea. Take the ignorant haters away (because that’s what they are) and get the people out there who care, who have compassion and can express it. 

  • De

    Wow!  May your tribe increase!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/T2HK6VJPFXYFK43V6GDSZSG2AE Meow.

    Psst. Vegans don’t eat honey. It is an animal product.

    I find it annoying that this article describes the van as “an abortion clinic’s worst  nightmare.” I’m a clinic employee. We have no interest in whether or not someone chooses abortion. If they want to give birth, that’s wonderful. Good for them. We support that choice just as passionately as we support the right to terminate.

    • http://www.patheos.com/blogs/thecrescat Katrina Fernandez

      By terminate you mean murder, right? Just not to get confused by the rhetoric m’kay. 

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/T2HK6VJPFXYFK43V6GDSZSG2AE Meow.

        Uhh…no. I meant “terminate.” That’s why I said it. If the word really gets your knickers in a bunch, pretend I said “abort.”

        • http://www.facebook.com/TheTruthIsEndless David Pomerantz

          What does terminate mean? 

          • PROCHOICER

            I hope you’re joking.

          • http://www.patheos.com/blogs/thecrescat Katrina Fernandez

            David knows what terminate means, he’s just trying to get Meow to stop tap dancing around the pro-abort rhetoric. Terminate and abort all mean the same thing – ending a life, aka murder. 

            Call it what it is and don’t be a coward, Meow. If it’s murder you support then say so.  

          • Paul Muriello

            Yes, because if I have to kill another human to defend my rights, I’m murdering them.

            no wait that would be a dumb thing to say, wouldn’t it

          • kim

            Death.

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/T2HK6VJPFXYFK43V6GDSZSG2AE Meow.

            “to bring to an end”

            You can claim that abortion is murder if you want, but you can’t legitimately claim that an abortion doesn’t end a pregnancy.

          • catherine t

            Yes, that’s correct, an abortion ends a pregnancy. 

            Do we agree on what a pregnancy is? Is there some way we could have a common understanding of the word ‘pregnancy’?
             
            I think this clear statement of terms is helpful for the discussion. 

          • Paul Muriello

            she was replying to someone who conflated termination with murder, try to keep up here

          • Deo gratias

            And what do people do when they want to deny reality? They lie to themselves. Have the courage of your conviction! “Termination”, “fetus”. It is not “we” who claim anything. It is incumbent upon you to show that what you are supporting is not murder and a baby.

          • Tuco

            So, Meow, precisely what magical and mystical thing happens to make the fatal difference between a newborn baby having taken its first breath, making it protected by law against purposefully killing it, and that millisecond before its first breath when it is termed euphemistically (by some) to be merely a “blob of protoplasm” or “product of conception” or any of the other disingenuous terms for that little human being?

          • Paul Muriello

            That “magical and mystical thing” is “whether or not it depends on its mother’s body for survival.” You’re welcome!

          • bakakurisu

            Can you legitimately proclaim that abortion doesn’t end a human life?

          • Paul Muriello

            No; but a) not all humans are people with a moral status which includes a right to life and b) sometimes ending a human life is justified. It just so happens abortion is one of those times.

        • Shelly

          I believe that reguardless of what word is used a human beings live is ended. Science would prove that a pregnancy is a living being already by definition of life and a human being is the only thing the DNA of that pregnancy is, thus it is the ending of a human beings life however you put it.

          • Jjdouche

            I hope that English is not your first language because that would be the only excuse for this comment.

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/T2HK6VJPFXYFK43V6GDSZSG2AE Meow.

            Aw, come on. Isn’t the point of communication to…well, communicate? She made some mistakes, but I think her comment was very easy to comprehend.

          • bakakurisu

            By the way, if abortion is just “terminating a pregnancy”, then why isn’t inducing early labor called an abortion?

            If abortion is “just terminating a pregnancy”, then butchering your spouse is “just a divorce”.

        • Kellymama

          Abortion is a very emotional subject.  I appreciate your ability to answer calmly in the midst of some highly emotionally charged comments.  I do believe that it is important to understand WHY people are upset by abortion—-I did studies on it in college back in the 80[s, and learned then that a huge portion of abortion (my limited resources before the internet led my to believe that 95% of all abortions) were by “choice”, or for convenience sake, and that very small 5% was only for medical necessity.  I recently read a biography of Margaret
          Sanger Brown, the founder of Planned Parenthood.  Did you know that she, even as an atheist, did NOT support abortion, that she believed that life began at conception?  I often wonder (I am a medical professional) how people can accept pay for doing this kind of work.  Even my OB/GYN, as we were discussing this subject, said, “First you have to find someone who’s willing to do it…..”As you are trying to understand the side of those, who, like myself, abhor what abortion has come to mean in our country, I am trying to understand…………..is your paycheck really worth it?   How many children were “terminated/aborted/murdered” at your clinic today?   Do you wonder if there is a God, and what you are going to say to him at the end of your life?  I’m trying to understand you, too…….

          • Paul Muriello

            if there is a God, it and I will have a good laugh and maybe a good cry about how ridiculous the human beings claiming to be his followers can be sometimes

        • Dana Perin

          How about exterminate?

    • Jennifer

      YOU might be ok with a woman’s “choice” but I read stories daily where your collegues and pro-“terminate” friends stand between a woman’s right to actually choose anything but “termination” for their child.

      Planned Parenthood fights the Ultra Sound bill in every state knowing that the education of vulnerable women does and will decrease the amount of “terminations” done. If PP really cared about a woman’s “choice” they would encourage more education, not less.

      If you and your collegues really cared about a woman’s “choice” then you wouldn’t lie to vulnerable women by telling them it’s a harmless procedure; glob of tissue; feels no pain; it’s not a heart beat etc… If you and your collegues cared about a woman’s choice then you wouldn’t allow abortions to be performed on women who are unsure or who are noticiably being forced by parents or boyfriends. I know of a girl whose boyfriend forced her to get an abortion while your friends bullied her right along with him.

      You don’t care about choice and you don’t care about women’s health. If you did you couldn’t work in an industry that has clear and scientific ties to an increase in breast cancer.

      How you can work in an environment where you knowingly work for people who rip baby’s body parts to pieces I will never understand. You are either evil or willfully ignorant. When the average term of pregnancy is 13 weeks and a baby has its nervous system by 11 and you and your friends can assure a vulnerable woman that it won’t feel pain, you do not care about a woman’s choice. No matter the justifications that you tell yourself daily, I will pray for you personally that you will seek and find redemption for the violence you knowingly commit against women daily.

      • PROCHOICER

        The whole point of the pro-choice movement LIES IN THE NAME HON, PRO-CHOICE. When women step in a clinic they are SEEKING HELP not forced to do anything. You are just completely one-sided and refuse to see the situation from another perspective. 

        • G_family

          Do some research on your colleagues and the mission of your organization. Your colleagues are leaving the clinic left and right with their accounts of what goes on behind closed doors, and if you are telling the truth you are the very rare exception.

          • Paul Muriello

            , he/she said without substantitation.

        • Debra51

           Hon,
             I worked in an abortion clinic and they are about selling abortions for cash only. If you don’t have cash….they aren’t interested in helping you.

        • bakakurisu

          The whole name of the pro-life movement lies in the name, Hon’: PRO-LIFE!

          We are fighting for every living human being to be entitled to a LIFETIME OF CHOICES.

          YOU cannot make this claim.

          If you are “pro-choice”, then advocates of slavery were “pro-freedom” simply because they fought for the “freedom” to own slaves.

          You just refuse to see the situation from a LOGICAL AND FACTUAL PERSPECTIVE.

          • Paul Muriello

            nah son, pro-choice refers to the freedom to choose who can and cannot have access to your body, if there are any basic concepts you need explained to you like a 5-year-old hit me up, I do Idiot Outreach programs on the regular

      • Zahcione1234

        Please, if you claim to be a christian, show grace and mercy in your speech. And calm the rhetoric down.

        • http://www.facebook.com/lorri.ann.3 Lorri Boltz Robles

          Grace and Mercy? Where is the grace and mercy for the unborn child????

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/T2HK6VJPFXYFK43V6GDSZSG2AE Meow.

        You’ve made an awful lot of strange assumptions about me, Jennifer. I have neither friend nor colleagues who have stood between a woman and her right to choose to give birth. I would immediately and completely disassociate myself from such people. Coercing someone into having an abortion is just as anti-choice as coercing someone into NOT having an abortion. Claiming this about me is about as intelligent and fair as it would be for me to claim that you are friends with people who bomb clinics or kill doctors. It’s a really sad discussion tactic, so perhaps you should rethink it.

        I am not affiliated with Planned Parenthood, so I really can’t speak for them. However, I oppose ultrasound laws because they are coercive. If it’s not medically necessary, I don’t want the government involved. It is not the government’s place to decide that a woman needs to be “educated” about fetal development before obtaining an abortion.

        Again, you do not know my colleagues. The clinic where I work has a strict non-coercion policy. If a woman is showing any sign that she doesn’t truly want an abortion, she is sent on her way. We will not provide an abortion for someone who isn’t fully consenting.

        I care very much about choice and women’s health. That’s why I work for a women’s health clinic that provides prenatal referrals, adoption services, AND abortion services. The waiting room women sit in before having an abortion is full of pamphlets from the adoption agency we work with.

        If you’re interested in converting clinic workers, it would behoove you to not be so petulant and nasty.

        • Vanceland

          I may not agree with your overall “choice” stance, but I wanted to thank you for keeping your cool and not degrading the discussion further. Your response is one of the most level-headed comments I have seen on a topic that invokes so much emotion. 

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/T2HK6VJPFXYFK43V6GDSZSG2AE Meow.

             Thanks for this! It is a pretty emotional topic. I figure that being hostile isn’t going to get anyone anywhere. :)

          • Mamaofmany

            Oh YES, let’s “keep our cool” when we discuss murder.  It’s quite civilized, don’t ya know.

          • http://www.facebook.com/lorri.ann.3 Lorri Boltz Robles

            yeah really. How can anyone keep their cool about babies being ripped apart??? Or their brains suctioned out of their tiny skulls?

          • Paula Pike

            Exactly Lorri! Sometimes we have to ‘maintain the rage’ until people wake up to the Truth…

          • Paula Pike

            Yes Mamaofmany – Murder is what we’re discussing, but so many people are in denial of this. ‘Choice’ they cry, but what choice does the unborn baby have?

          • Daniel Barbour

            Thank you! These comments seemed a bit off the wall to me too. Something not quite right about them and the reality of the situation.

        • skrawli

          ultrasounds may not be “medically necessary” but death is not medically necessary either.  Also, at 18 days there is a heart beat.  At 7 days there are already  defined layers-including where the heart and mouth will be and the head from the bum. So to “terminate” is what “pro-lifers” say to justify not being/not wanting to be accountable~nor feeling the guilt for it. L-A-M-E.  
          Ultrasound laws coercive??  how? buy making a visual connection?  You know . . . when you go to an animal pound you look before you buy so you dont make a bad choice and get the dog/cat that would not blend well with your family.  When you get a diamond or jem of some kind you look before you buy-so you can decide if you want THAT one.  just sayin.

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/T2HK6VJPFXYFK43V6GDSZSG2AE Meow.

             Actually, abortion is sometimes medically unnecessary, unless you think a woman should die from an ectopic pregnancy. Ultrasound laws are coercive because they are forcing you to do something that is not medically necessary.

            I really am amazed that you just compared being forced to get an ultrasound to looking at a dog before you adopt it. Seriously…what?

          • Monterety

             But most abortions are NOT medically necessary. They are merely about convenience. That is someone’s right per the law, but let’s not pretend that most abortions are medically necessary. Most aren’t.

          • Monterey

             ..so you could say that abortion clinics are selling a medically unneccesary procedure, which is shown to increase the risk of breast cancer. Abortion is the most avoidable breast cancer risk.

          • MJ

             The studies which claim that abortion increases breast cancer risk have been discredited.

          • Jklj

             you are an idiot

          • bren

            there is the typical name calling rhetoric that starts when your view is discredited and you have no other come back but to call names

          • Paul Muriello

            FYI those studies that found a link between breast cancer and abortion were debunked.

          • Maestro’s Apprentice

            Debunked by whom? I’m just curious, because it’s a very serious claim either way (policy implications and the like), and something I’d just as soon not be wrong about.

            Whoever “debunked” them must not only be an expert in evaluating studies, but should also be free of extreme pressure to decide one way or the other, and, if it’s found that the evaluator(s) may have extreme pressure to decide one way or the other, their methods and consistency in sticking to them need to be examined against statistical standards, existing scientific theories regarding the claim, and common sense.

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/T2HK6VJPFXYFK43V6GDSZSG2AE Meow.

            Nobody is pretending anything. I said “sometimes,” did I not?

          • Tuco

            You deny that there is any profit motive to the “abortion industry?” Compare to the free educational service being offered by the ultrasound van project, even to the extent of providing cab fare to get the would-be mother of a dead baby to a support center. Nice try, but there’s no equating an abortion facility, as a loving, humane, moral and helpful agent, with the Save the Storks operation.

          • Tuco

            You deny that there is any profit motive to the “abortion industry?” Compare to the free educational service being offered by the ultrasound van project, even to the extent of providing cab fare to get the would-be mother of a dead baby to a support center. Nice try, but there’s no equating an abortion facility, as a loving, humane, moral and helpful agent, with the Save the Storks operation.

          • Tuco

            You deny that there is any profit motive to the “abortion industry?” Compare to the free educational service being offered by the ultrasound van project, even to the extent of providing cab fare to get the would-be mother of a dead baby to a support center. Nice try, but there’s no equating an abortion facility, as a loving, humane, moral and helpful agent, with the Save the Storks operation.

          • Paul Muriello

            There’s no profit motive, but that doesn’t mean there isn’t an agenda that seeks to undermine a woman’s ability to choose. That the agenda isn’t motivated by profit doesn’t make it any less immoral.

          • Guest

            The treatment of an ectopic pregnancy is NOT an abortion! It
            is a lifesaving medical treatment that unfortunately results in the end of the fetal
            life but it is NOT an abortion and medically is not considered to be one. The
            following statement was issued in 2000 by the Institute of OBGYN: “It would
            never cross an obstetrician’s mind that intervening in a case of pre-eclampsia,
            cancer of the cervix or ectopic pregnancy is abortion. They are not abortion as
            far as the professional is concerned; these are medical treatments that are
            essential to save the life of the mother.”
            Treatment for an ectopic pregnancy treats the mother while not directly
            targeting the child – the opposite of an abortion.

          • Emma

             When I was 16 years old, I became pregnant. I was not married. I developed pre-eclampsia. My devout, anti-abortion parents preferred to risk my life instead of allowing me to have the abortion I wanted. Roe vs. Wade was decided just a few months too late for me.

          • Bren

            So thankful that Roe vs. Wade was not decided when my unmarried 16 year old biological mother was pregnant with me and she chose to give me up for adoption! She could have went to another state to abort me but chose life. Thank God. He had a plan for my life, as He did and does yours. As i see you are still alive.

          • levelheaded

            Emma: did you die??

          • levelheaded

            Emma: did you die??

          • levelheaded

            Emma: did you die??

          • Sarah

            what happened after that Emma? Did you raise your child or give it up for adoption?

          • Park

            So you wish your child had never been born?

          • Paul Muriello

            No, she wishes that she wasn’t forced to risk her life.

          • gmnp

            The pregnancy did not kill you AND Roe v Wade not being decided yet saved your child’s life. How does this equate to, “…too late for (you)”? Sounds like a blessing not a burden.

          • Paul Muriello

            Because she still was forced to take that risk. It’s like you’re saying, “So the guy pointed a gun at you and pulled the trigger; big deal! It misfired! Get over it!”

          • Laura

            Would love to see a statistic for how many abortions are “life saving” necessities for the mother such as the eptopic pregnacies you mentioned. Sincerely, would be interesting.

          • Sunshine

            See if you can find a book called “Scarlet Lady” you will find the answer to that question

          • Donna

            Or amazed that we actually do look at a dog before adoption and yet, let these kids (mainly) take direction from (whomever) and no counseling at all to the damage they might be doing to themselves, acute depression, and that they have no clue as to gestation and that a baby actually have a heartbeat at 18 days and has progressed development quite a bit at that point. I bet they are shocked, surprised and amazed at the little human being inside of them. Loving them through this is the key.

          • MillieKay

            If you really believe that women are “shocked, surprised, and amazed” that pregnancy involves a human inside of them, then I can’t even comprehend how stupid you consider all women to be. A lot of the “pro-choice” side considers the “pro-life” side to be misogynistic, and comments like yours really seem to support that argument.

          • http://www.facebook.com/lisa.toomey.7 Lisa Toomey

            ultrasound is about informed consent, a right that every patient in every doctor’s office or clinic should have.

          • http://www.facebook.com/lisa.toomey.7 Lisa Toomey

            ultrasound is about informed consent, a right that every patient in every doctor’s office or clinic should have.

          • Paul Muriello

            What information vital to making an informed decision does an ultrasound give a patient?

            (hint: the answer is it doesn’t)

          • bakakurisu

            How can ultrasound laws be “coercive”???

            Every time I had a serious injury or illness, my doctor showed me X-Rays, MRI-scans, etc…

            I didn’t feel “coerced” into getting necessary treatment.

            You want women to make a “choice”, but not an EDUCATED choice.

          • Paul Muriello

            Did the doctor threaten to deny you care if you didn’t want to get an x-ray or an MRI? Are you this bad at thinking generally, or just when it comes to abortion?

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-Gramling/62006984 Michael Gramling

            I’m just saying, learn to spell before you make an argument with typed words.

        • Carol

          meow, How can it be a real choice if the woman is not educated with the real facts? Many who choose abortion and later see ultrasounds of babies comparable to theirs, come to us feeling wounded and deceived, saying why didn’t they tell me it was a baby? If you cover up the facts, it may not be coercion, but it is deceit, not matter how heartfelt your intentions.
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        • Paula Pike

          Jennifer was not being “petulant and nasty”, but expressing natural emotional outrage at the abomination of abortion -which is the killing of innocent, defenceless babies using the most cruel, horrific and barbaric of methods! Abortion is NEVER in a mother’s best interest! Most if not all post-abortive women seeking counselling for regret and depression etc will ask the same two questions: “What CHOICE did I have?” and “Where is my baby now?”

          • Walt

            Bold claims:

            “Abortion is NEVER in a mother’s best interest!”

            “Most if not all post-abortive women seeking counselling for regret and depression etc will ask the same two questions”

            Evidence?

          • Walt

            Bold claims:

            “Abortion is NEVER in a mother’s best interest!”

            “Most if not all post-abortive women seeking counselling for regret and depression etc will ask the same two questions”

            Evidence?

          • Paul Muriello

            Yo guess what; only mothers themselves get to decide what is and is not in their best interest, not you!

        • Cindy Bear

          Unfortunately Meow, a majority of pregnant women are too poor to afford private care such as your clinic offers. Planned Parenthood takes care of most indigent young mothers who are being pressured by their families and/or the baby’s father to abort it. They find it much more than annoying that the only help they are offered is in the form of murder rather than support and sustenance for their helpless infant that society wants to throw in the trash, literally.

      • Mcgolden

         Good for you Jennifer – I could not afford (we were sincerely broke) to be allowed into an OB/GYN’s office for a look see during my first Trimester but boy oh boy did the office gals suggest I get an abortion! A nurse practioner/mid-wife suggested I get an early exam via…the abortion clinic. I went (for that purpose only) and was almost knocked over by women on the street yelling at me…”You murderer!” before even entering the clinic. I was almost swept off my feet by 2 ladies wearing orange vests and hauled upstairs to the clinic…like bouncers from the bar! The ladies in waiting were talking how this was their 2nd to 4th time there! I thought…what ever happened to birth control! When my turn came up, I went in, told the nurse why I was there and guess what? She cussed me out because “the doctor was ready!”…and…I was not. I was only there for a general exam! SO DON’T ANYONE TELL ME THEY ARE ABOUT….CHOICE! They are there for and in it for THE MONEY! just like any State run business! When she stepped out, so did I from the other door. Back out on street, same ladies rushed at me yelling…you guessed it…I turned and said…how dare you judge me …I haven’t done anything. Oh…she is now 24 and a missionary and I was able to give her a brother to grow up with!

        • Stiffie Fornicatesthedead

          It depends on the actual CLINIC you go to. They are not all the same. It happens to be that I went to Hillcrest Clinic in Virginia Beach and while the lady at the front desk had a cunty attitude, I did NOT feel forced. It is not about the money, I paid AFTER my procedure. My credit/debit card could have been declined and the procedure had already been done.

          Every place is a goddamned business in America, that’s the beauty of CAPITALISM. Do you not think hospitals are about money? You should educate yourself. Watch “Pregnant in America” and “The Business of Being Born” — about how corrupt the medical system is when it comes to childbirth/bearing. The quickest way to get women in and out of the delivery room is to do C-sections, which have gone up tremendously since the 1970’s. Think that is not “all about the money”? Think again.

          Anyway, more about my experience in that said clinic. They took me into the counseling room and made sure I WANTED the procedure before getting it. My only complaint was that the procedure took about four hours because most of the procedure was me in and out of the waiting room. The actual abortion took about 30 seconds. The nurse HELD MY HAND during the procedure, ensuring maximum comfort. Thus, I was treated very nicely…with the respect and dignity I deserved. It’s unfortunate you had an awful experience and that they treated you that way but I can assure you, it is an individual basis.

          • MillieKay

            The medical field actually makes a LOT more money on a full-term pregnancy than on an abortion. People talk a lot about the “abortion industry,” and how supposedly profitable it is, but you raise some excellent points about the profit of the OB/GYN/hospital system. That said, you’re spot on that different clinics/hospitals will be vastly different experiences. Glad yours was a good one!

          • Walt

            Don’t get me started on the evil diaper and car seat industry that just makes money off of babies being born. Leave the conspiracy theories at the door.

          • Park

            Yes but just because the “medical field” makes more money on a full-term pregnancy doesn’t mean an abortion clinic makes more money. If a woman doesn’t get an abortion, the clinic makes no money. It doesn’t matter that they’re in the same field as hospitals and OB/GYNs. Just like McDonald’s doesn’t make money from you going to Burger King just because they are in the same field.

        • Emma

          I hate it when passionate pro-life activists end up scaring these poor young women and putting a bad face on all prolifers. We should reach out with love not hate.

        • Emma

          I hate it when passionate pro-life activists end up scaring these poor young women and putting a bad face on all prolifers. We should reach out with love not hate.

        • Emma

          I hate it when passionate pro-life activists end up scaring these poor young women and putting a bad face on all prolifers. We should reach out with love not hate.

        • Emma

          I hate it when passionate pro-life activists end up scaring these poor young women and putting a bad face on all prolifers. We should reach out with love not hate.

        • Emma

          I hate it when passionate pro-life activists end up scaring these poor young women and putting a bad face on all prolifers. We should reach out with love not hate.

      • Stiffie Fornicatesthedead

        We (choice supporters) don’t approve of ultrasounds because they are medically unnecessary and bring up the COST of the procedure while an abortion is already approximately between $250-1,000. It is a political agenda and we do not support government getting in the way of a social (and very personal) issue.

        It IS a considerably harmless procedure compared to childbirth, whereas giving birth and carrying a fetus to term can lead to more serious complications and even death in some cases. An abortion is similar to removing a tooth, it is done under five minutes with very minimal complications.

        LOL about breast cancer… where did you get your information? Can you cite sources? Clearly, you just believe anything you read on the Internet because the correlation between abortion and breast cancer doesn’t even make sense. It is a scare tactic, something the anti-choice movement has been about for decades.

        YOU and cohorts claim to care about women and children… what exactly is it that YOU do that implicates this other than harassing them and telling them what they should or should not do? Have you adopted any unwanted children?

        Who cares of a fetus can feel pain or not? That is irrelevant. How do you know that fetus wants to develop and be brought into this world, anyway? As a child of BREEDERS (there is a fine line between “breeder” and “parent”), I would have been fine being aborted knowing that my parents were as selfish and horrible as they were. News flash — souls aren’t real but being forced to carry an unwanted pregnancy to term (while there are MANY different reasons for a woman to want to abort), is very real.

        The fact is, it is a FETUS until birth…that is when it can finally be considered (and called) an actual baby. Hell, children who are under 18 do not even have full rights so why should some shitty fetus?

      • Stiffie Fornicatesthedead

        We (choice supporters) don’t approve of ultrasounds because they are medically unnecessary and bring up the COST of the procedure while an abortion is already approximately between $250-1,000. It is a political agenda and we do not support government getting in the way of a social (and very personal) issue.

        It IS a considerably harmless procedure compared to childbirth, whereas giving birth and carrying a fetus to term can lead to more serious complications and even death in some cases. An abortion is similar to removing a tooth, it is done under five minutes with very minimal complications.

        LOL about breast cancer… where did you get your information? Can you cite sources? Clearly, you just believe anything you read on the Internet because the correlation between abortion and breast cancer doesn’t even make sense. It is a scare tactic, something the anti-choice movement has been about for decades.

        YOU and cohorts claim to care about women and children… what exactly is it that YOU do that implicates this other than harassing them and telling them what they should or should not do? Have you adopted any unwanted children?

        Who cares of a fetus can feel pain or not? That is irrelevant. How do you know that fetus wants to develop and be brought into this world, anyway? As a child of BREEDERS (there is a fine line between “breeder” and “parent”), I would have been fine being aborted knowing that my parents were as selfish and horrible as they were. News flash — souls aren’t real but being forced to carry an unwanted pregnancy to term (while there are MANY different reasons for a woman to want to abort), is very real.

        The fact is, it is a FETUS until birth…that is when it can finally be considered (and called) an actual baby. Hell, children who are under 18 do not even have full rights so why should some shitty fetus?

      • Stiffie Fornicatesthedead

        We (choice supporters) don’t approve of ultrasounds because they are medically unnecessary and bring up the COST of the procedure while an abortion is already approximately between $250-1,000. It is a political agenda and we do not support government getting in the way of a social (and very personal) issue.

        It IS a considerably harmless procedure compared to childbirth, whereas giving birth and carrying a fetus to term can lead to more serious complications and even death in some cases. An abortion is similar to removing a tooth, it is done under five minutes with very minimal complications.

        LOL about breast cancer… where did you get your information? Can you cite sources? Clearly, you just believe anything you read on the Internet because the correlation between abortion and breast cancer doesn’t even make sense. It is a scare tactic, something the anti-choice movement has been about for decades.

        YOU and cohorts claim to care about women and children… what exactly is it that YOU do that implicates this other than harassing them and telling them what they should or should not do? Have you adopted any unwanted children?

        Who cares of a fetus can feel pain or not? That is irrelevant. How do you know that fetus wants to develop and be brought into this world, anyway? As a child of BREEDERS (there is a fine line between “breeder” and “parent”), I would have been fine being aborted knowing that my parents were as selfish and horrible as they were. News flash — souls aren’t real but being forced to carry an unwanted pregnancy to term (while there are MANY different reasons for a woman to want to abort), is very real.

        The fact is, it is a FETUS until birth…that is when it can finally be considered (and called) an actual baby. Hell, children who are under 18 do not even have full rights so why should some shitty fetus?

      • Stiffie Fornicatesthedead

        We (choice supporters) don’t approve of ultrasounds because they are medically unnecessary and bring up the COST of the procedure while an abortion is already approximately between $250-1,000. It is a political agenda and we do not support government getting in the way of a social (and very personal) issue.

        It IS a considerably harmless procedure compared to childbirth, whereas giving birth and carrying a fetus to term can lead to more serious complications and even death in some cases. An abortion is similar to removing a tooth, it is done under five minutes with very minimal complications.

        LOL about breast cancer… where did you get your information? Can you cite sources? Clearly, you just believe anything you read on the Internet because the correlation between abortion and breast cancer doesn’t even make sense. It is a scare tactic, something the anti-choice movement has been about for decades.

        YOU and cohorts claim to care about women and children… what exactly is it that YOU do that implicates this other than harassing them and telling them what they should or should not do? Have you adopted any unwanted children?

        Who cares of a fetus can feel pain or not? That is irrelevant. How do you know that fetus wants to develop and be brought into this world, anyway? As a child of BREEDERS (there is a fine line between “breeder” and “parent”), I would have been fine being aborted knowing that my parents were as selfish and horrible as they were. News flash — souls aren’t real but being forced to carry an unwanted pregnancy to term (while there are MANY different reasons for a woman to want to abort), is very real.

        The fact is, it is a FETUS until birth…that is when it can finally be considered (and called) an actual baby. Hell, children who are under 18 do not even have full rights so why should some shitty fetus?

      • Stiffie Fornicatesthedead

        We (choice supporters) don’t approve of ultrasounds because they are medically unnecessary and bring up the COST of the procedure while an abortion is already approximately between $250-1,000. It is a political agenda and we do not support government getting in the way of a social (and very personal) issue.

        It IS a considerably harmless procedure compared to childbirth, whereas giving birth and carrying a fetus to term can lead to more serious complications and even death in some cases. An abortion is similar to removing a tooth, it is done under five minutes with very minimal complications.

        LOL about breast cancer… where did you get your information? Can you cite sources? Clearly, you just believe anything you read on the Internet because the correlation between abortion and breast cancer doesn’t even make sense. It is a scare tactic, something the anti-choice movement has been about for decades.

        YOU and cohorts claim to care about women and children… what exactly is it that YOU do that implicates this other than harassing them and telling them what they should or should not do? Have you adopted any unwanted children?

        Who cares of a fetus can feel pain or not? That is irrelevant. How do you know that fetus wants to develop and be brought into this world, anyway? As a child of BREEDERS (there is a fine line between “breeder” and “parent”), I would have been fine being aborted knowing that my parents were as selfish and horrible as they were. News flash — souls aren’t real but being forced to carry an unwanted pregnancy to term (while there are MANY different reasons for a woman to want to abort), is very real.

        The fact is, it is a FETUS until birth…that is when it can finally be considered (and called) an actual baby. Hell, children who are under 18 do not even have full rights so why should some shitty fetus?

      • Stiffie Fornicatesthedead

        We (choice supporters) don’t approve of ultrasounds because they are medically unnecessary and bring up the COST of the procedure while an abortion is already approximately between $250-1,000. It is a political agenda and we do not support government getting in the way of a social (and very personal) issue.

        It IS a considerably harmless procedure compared to childbirth, whereas giving birth and carrying a fetus to term can lead to more serious complications and even death in some cases. An abortion is similar to removing a tooth, it is done under five minutes with very minimal complications.

        LOL about breast cancer… where did you get your information? Can you cite sources? Clearly, you just believe anything you read on the Internet because the correlation between abortion and breast cancer doesn’t even make sense. It is a scare tactic, something the anti-choice movement has been about for decades.

        YOU and cohorts claim to care about women and children… what exactly is it that YOU do that implicates this other than harassing them and telling them what they should or should not do? Have you adopted any unwanted children?

        Who cares of a fetus can feel pain or not? That is irrelevant. How do you know that fetus wants to develop and be brought into this world, anyway? As a child of BREEDERS (there is a fine line between “breeder” and “parent”), I would have been fine being aborted knowing that my parents were as selfish and horrible as they were. News flash — souls aren’t real but being forced to carry an unwanted pregnancy to term (while there are MANY different reasons for a woman to want to abort), is very real.

        The fact is, it is a FETUS until birth…that is when it can finally be considered (and called) an actual baby. Hell, children who are under 18 do not even have full rights so why should some shitty fetus?

      • Stiffie Fornicatesthedead

        We (choice supporters) don’t approve of ultrasounds because they are medically unnecessary and bring up the COST of the procedure while an abortion is already approximately between $250-1,000. It is a political agenda and we do not support government getting in the way of a social (and very personal) issue.

        It IS a considerably harmless procedure compared to childbirth, whereas giving birth and carrying a fetus to term can lead to more serious complications and even death in some cases. An abortion is similar to removing a tooth, it is done under five minutes with very minimal complications.

        LOL about breast cancer… where did you get your information? Can you cite sources? Clearly, you just believe anything you read on the Internet because the correlation between abortion and breast cancer doesn’t even make sense. It is a scare tactic, something the anti-choice movement has been about for decades.

        YOU and cohorts claim to care about women and children… what exactly is it that YOU do that implicates this other than harassing them and telling them what they should or should not do? Have you adopted any unwanted children?

        Who cares of a fetus can feel pain or not? That is irrelevant. How do you know that fetus wants to develop and be brought into this world, anyway? As a child of BREEDERS (there is a fine line between “breeder” and “parent”), I would have been fine being aborted knowing that my parents were as selfish and horrible as they were. News flash — souls aren’t real but being forced to carry an unwanted pregnancy to term (while there are MANY different reasons for a woman to want to abort), is very real.

        The fact is, it is a FETUS until birth…that is when it can finally be considered (and called) an actual baby. Hell, children who are under 18 do not even have full rights so why should some shitty fetus?

      • Stiffie Fornicatesthedead

        We (choice supporters) don’t approve of ultrasounds because they are medically unnecessary and bring up the COST of the procedure while an abortion is already approximately between $250-1,000. It is a political agenda and we do not support government getting in the way of a social (and very personal) issue.

        It IS a considerably harmless procedure compared to childbirth, whereas giving birth and carrying a fetus to term can lead to more serious complications and even death in some cases. An abortion is similar to removing a tooth, it is done under five minutes with very minimal complications.

        LOL about breast cancer… where did you get your information? Can you cite sources? Clearly, you just believe anything you read on the Internet because the correlation between abortion and breast cancer doesn’t even make sense. It is a scare tactic, something the anti-choice movement has been about for decades.

        YOU and cohorts claim to care about women and children… what exactly is it that YOU do that implicates this other than harassing them and telling them what they should or should not do? Have you adopted any unwanted children?

        Who cares of a fetus can feel pain or not? That is irrelevant. How do you know that fetus wants to develop and be brought into this world, anyway? As a child of BREEDERS (there is a fine line between “breeder” and “parent”), I would have been fine being aborted knowing that my parents were as selfish and horrible as they were. News flash — souls aren’t real but being forced to carry an unwanted pregnancy to term (while there are MANY different reasons for a woman to want to abort), is very real.

        The fact is, it is a FETUS until birth…that is when it can finally be considered (and called) an actual baby. Hell, children who are under 18 do not even have full rights so why should some shitty fetus?

        • Pro-Me

          As a pro-choice woman who has had an abortion – I find the string of comments to be highly judgmental. I was pro-life once, and then I got pregnant. I knew my options and made a choice based on what was best for me. I don’t look back and regret my choice – but I believe there are women who do. Maybe they didn’t fully examine themselves? Their life goals and impact of their decision? I actually like the idea of Save the Storks. I do believe there are women out there who would benefit from it. I prefer it to a group of hateful people protesting outside of an abortion clinic!
          However, I don’t understand how this interesting story of a new way to protest abortion with love…was turned into hate by all of the comments posted on this site. You are doing exactly what Save the Storks in against.

          • Paul Muriello

            You’re fooled by the author’s rose-colored glasses. Save the Storks isn’t providing any kind of service to these women. There’s nothing about a confirmatory ultrasound that will help them make a more informed medical decision. They are simply showing women the fetus and banking on her experiencing some kind of wave of guilt that will dissuade her from getting an abortion.

            They don’t talk with her about all the negative outcomes of unwanted pregnancy for both her and her child. They don’t talk about the medical risks of pregnancy. They don’t talk about the financial burdens, or the restrictions she might face as an ostensibly single mother. These are the kinds of things that are necessary for true informed consent, but these are the things conspicuously absent from STS’ game.

          • brisonc3

            Paul Muriello said

            “They don’t talk with her about all the negative outcomes of unwanted
            pregnancy for both her and her child. They don’t talk about the medical
            risks of pregnancy. They don’t talk about the financial burdens, or the
            restrictions she might face as an ostensibly single mother. These are
            the kinds of things that are necessary for true informed consent, but
            these are the things conspicuously absent from STS’ game”

            that is because human lives aren’t about “being affordable”. If this is true then we should terminate the homeless since society can’t afford them and they are a burden and obviously suffering and would be much better off with their suffering ended. This can be achieved by having a court declare the homeless no longer having legal personhood and therefore no legal significance as “persons” legally just as fetuses are denied their humanity simply because they are not legal persons, but still are living members of the human species. So the logic is sound. This is the logic of the pro-choicer.

            No woman has to be a single mother since she has the ability to give that child away just after birth so a childless couple can have the full parenting experience from the very beginning. So that excuse is taken away also.

            No one ever said there would be no consequences or difficulties in allowing a child to live, but then again the girl herself and the guy she was with made that so-called “unwanted” child, but there is no difference biologically between a “wanted or planned” child and an “unwanted” one and the Constitution demands all humans be treated equally under the 14th Amendment. The Constitution makes no distinction between “wanted” and “unwanted” children. The law only sees children.

            A little inconvenience is the natural outcome of bad choices. It isn’t going to be and should not be free of any burdens. Suffering burdens is what happens when you make a grave error. There are outcomes that are not comfortable that you still have to endure and face. That is just life. So are you saying woman have a right to be exempt from life and it’s lessons which sometimes are painful?

            What strange logic from the pro-choicer.

            I could make the same argument about a man who “makes the agonizing choice” to have forced intercourse with a woman, seeing her not as a person, but as a “thing”, like a fetus which is the side effect of his choice. His decision to do what he has done is a “choice” and “just a choice” like many other choices men make in life. It is neither right nor wrong, bad or good, moral or immoral since such distinctions are to be made by the chooser and his God, not dictated by government, law or religion.

            You can’t punish him for his choices because that is forcing one’s morality on him who may not see anything wrong and have no regrets for what he did just as you say woman don’t regret killing their children. In fact he may end the whole encounter by killing his victim to spare her having to live with the aftermath. This is an act of kindness and mercy just as pro-choicers claim the termination of an “unwanted” fetus is merciful since no child should have to grow up with a parent who hates them. This is the logic and thinking of the pro-choicer.

            “but women are persons” you would say. No, that is a decision of the one making the choices and having the power to make choices according to his conscience and in consultation with his concept of his God or higher power. It is a very personal and private decision not to be interfered with by government, or religious fanatics.

            Puberty has alot of pain and discomfort to it. Should teenagers have the right to have hormone therapy to suppress and shut down puberty since some teens actually try and commit suicide from the side effects of puberty? Some even succeed in suicide. Since puberty therefore can kill teens should they then have a choice as to whether or not they have to endure it?

            This is the logic of the pro-choicer.

            Lastly, this act of the man against his victim may be an issue pertaining to his personal health as he has discussed with his doctor or psychiatrist. Engaging in these acts brings clarity to his mind on certain things, things or I may never understand, but then again, this is personal and private. What his condition is is private and medical in nature and therefore protected by privacy as is the choices this man makes in consultation with his God and his doctor(therapist).

            This is about his health and his health alone, which the Courts have ruled has an almost religious protection around it, free from government influence and cohersion. It is his choice alone and no one has the right to judge him. No one.

          • Paul Muriello

            Well it’s funny how in that wall of text you manage to miss this point I made in the very text you quote:

            ” They don’t talk about the medical
            risks of pregnancy.”

            …which has nothing to do with affordability, so my criticism is still sound despite your objections. Moreover, this rebuttal you offer:

            “that is because human lives aren’t about “being affordable”. If this is true then we should terminate the homeless since society can’t afford them and they are a burden and obviously suffering and would be much better off with their suffering ended.”

            …mistakes a practical reason for getting an abortion (a baby is too expensive) with the moral justification for getting an abortion, which is a person’s right to dictate who can and cannot have access to their body. Also, the equivalency you attempt to draw between homeless people and fetuses fails because while it’s plausible that homeless people may have a moral claim to access our material wealth if they need it to survive, it’s not clear that they have a moral claim to access our bodies if they need them to survive, as the fetus does.

            The rest of that wall of text is just you arguing with a pro-choice strawman, but you make a number of errors in reasoning so I figure I should do you the favor of pointing them out.

            “No woman has to be a single mother since she has the ability to give that child away just after birth so a childless couple can have the full parenting experience from the very beginning. So that excuse is taken away also.”

            In the paragraph before you begin arguing against the strawman, which is why this one misses the point; giving up her child for adoption is an option, but so is single parenthood, and if STS was really committed to informing women about the outcomes of pregnancy instead of just trying to coerce her into not aborting, they would include single motherhood as a covered topic.

            “A little inconvenience is the natural outcome of bad choices.”

            Naturalistic fallacy. If we could minimize the “natural” outcome of bad choices without any negative externalities, why wouldn’t we? You’ll argue that the death of the fetus is a negative externality of abortion, but that would be question-begging; we’re arguing whether or not that negative externality has any relevant to the moral permissibility of abortion, so that cannot become a premise in your argument.

            “I could make the same argument about a man who “makes the agonizing choice” to have forced intercourse with a woman, seeing her not as a person, but as a “thing”, like a fetus which is the side effect of his choice. His decision to do what he has done is a “choice” and “just a choice” like many other choices men make in life. It is neither right nor wrong, bad or good, moral or immoral since such distinctions are to be made by the chooser and his God, not dictated by government, law or religion.”

            Well you could certainly MAKE that argument, but that wouldn’t mean the argument is a good one (it’s not, it’s dumb). Abortion is morally permissible because people have the right to dictate who can and cannot have access to their body. Rape is essentially one person sexual accessing another person’s body without their consent. This principle which makes abortion morally permissible would actually seem to make rape morally impermissible, even if it costs him his life (as it costs the fetus its life), contrary to your claim.

            As an aside, I know intellectual honest and rigor is not a hallmark of the anti-choice crowd, but god DAMN that’s the first time I’ve ever seen someone argue that abortion is just like rape. I’m not even angry, just astonished.

          • brisonc3

            Paul, So here is another “wall of text” for you.

            I’m sure the clinic personnel will be providing the dangers and stressing the dangers of pregnancy to all counselees. They do that already so there is no shortage of personnel to give the dangers of pregnancy as well as the dangerous side effects of contraceptives, right?(they made my wife’s blood pressure skyrocket).

            What the Stork vans and the personnel in them are giving these mothers is what the clinic personnel do not, images of the fetus revealing his/her full humanity, affirming language humanizing the fetus, not minimizing him/her, encouragment that pregnancy is a natural event(like sex is) and something not to be afraid of in most cases. Playing up the negatives and dangers as “pro-choicers” wish to is not ethical. It is fear mongering(as pro-choicers claim pro-lifers do when discussing abortion complications and side effects). More women die from the dangers of going to work daily(car collisions and crashes) or from heart disease than from pregnancy complications.

            Here is a link to CDC information regarding the top 10 causes of death for females as revealed by data for the latest year it was made available, which was 2009.

            http://www.cdc.gov/Women/lcod/

            Here is another site that breaks it down and explains the reasons for the death of women as to the top 10.

            http://www.womens-health-advice.com/causes-of-death.html#stats

            Pregnancy complications aren’t on the list and not listed as a subset of any of the top 10 reasons for female mortality, with exception of Hispanic women who have “parinatal problems” listed as number 10, but no other race classifications indicating parinatal problems are a problem for other racial groups of females.

            Are there sometimes complications serious enough that pregnancy is dangerous? Yes, but the fetus is not dangerous. The fetus has no power to injure anyone yet pro-choicers insist the fetus being given no humanity during counseling unless the mother claims the fetus is wanted. That is not medically sound procedure nor standard medical procedure. Wanted or not another human life is in existence already and that is revealed by the ultrasound and the personnel in the vans, but you won’t find that from the personnel in the clinics, why? Because of a political agenda claiming moral and ethical equivilence of killing a fetus to not doing so. Only a pro-choicer would think and justify the death of a young human in such a way.

            Pregnancy is a part of life, like puberty and it is not something to fear. Something to be cautious about, but not something to fear nor something that will ruin your life. If so, why would mother nature allow it? Does mother nature HATE women too?

            The minimizing of the humanity of the fetus is a political ploy, having nothing to do with medicine or science or truth. The vans and their services counteract that willful deception of pro-choice counseling with the true facts as only a real-time picture can reveal. There can be no spin with an image. It reveals the reality and the truth and the women decide. Pro-choicers will say “clump of cells”, but the image may reveal something different to a woman’s eyes and heart.

            Women have a uterus for no other reason than to carry offspring. That is it’s purpose, nothing else. Do they get that information from the clinic when discussing “the mass of tissue”? Uteruses don’t hold “masses of tissue”, but human offspring.

            “The woman eventually makes the judgement for herself”. Very true, with all the information given to her to make a sound judgement, not rhetoric that leaves out the humanity of the offspring within her. That information is necessary for informed consent and a clear ultrasound image is the best means of delivering it and there has yet to be any true case or facts that indicate any damaging effects of ultrasounds as far as dangers due to radiation or sound waives. There are only theories about dangers, but no real cases of damage due to an ultrasound machine. Yet the spokesman for the storks did say these are certified technicians so at least that criticism is gone also.

            So celebrate the emergence of such services and information available for women and their babies. It would be even better if this information was provided by the clinics and their personnel themselves, but with their hesitation to the idea of humanizing the fetus; it is still something resisted. Which is silly.

            There really can be no objection to this. None.

          • Paul Muriello

            “I’m sure the clinic personnel will be providing the dangers and stressing the dangers of pregnancy to all counselees.”

            They might inform mothers (stress is a word you chose for rhetorical impact), which is a damn sight more than STS does.

            “What the Stork vans and the personnel in them are giving these mothers is what the clinic personnel do not, images of the fetus revealing his/her full humanity, affirming language humanizing the fetus, not minimizing him/her, encouragment that pregnancy is a natural event(like sex is) and something not to be afraid of in most cases. Playing up the negatives and dangers as “pro-choicers” wish to is not ethical.”

            First you beg the question of the personhood of the fetus; it’s not clear whether or not the fetus is a person, yet here you are, privileging your view that it actually is a person. Second, another naturalistic fallacy; who cares if pregnancy is “natural” (what do you even mean by natural here anyway) event, that says nothing about whether or not pregnancy is good for a particular individual, nor does it mean pregnancy is morally good. I mean, it’s “natural” to get a nosebleed after someone punches you in the nose, but that says nothing about whether or not it’s good that your nose is bleeding. Just sloppy moral reasoning.

            You then go on for some time about how pregnancy isn’t that big a health risk, but again you employ poor reasoning to make your point. First, death isn’t the only bad health outcome of pregnancy. Second, even if it were, that doesn’t change the fact that death is a possible outcome of pregnancy and that women ought to be informed of it. Your argument seems to be that it’s not a big deal that STS doesn’t inform women of their pregnancy risks which a) basically concedes the argument to me and b) is indicative if a general ignorance of the ethics of consent.

            Then you make this ming-bogglingly dumb argument:

            “Are there sometimes complications serious enough that pregnancy is dangerous? Yes, but the fetus is not dangerous.”

            Uh, yeah the fetus itself is not dangerous…what’s dangerous is when the fetus is in its mother’s body! I have no idea where you were trying to go with this, but I’m pretty sure you didn’t get there.
            “Wanted or not another human life is in existence already and that is
            revealed by the ultrasound and the personnel in the vans, but you won’t
            find that from the personnel in the clinics, why?”

            Once again begging the question of fetal personhood. Not that I expected you to all of a sudden approach the issue with intellectual honesty.

            “Pregnancy is a part of life, like puberty and it is not something to
            fear. Something to be cautious about, but not something to fear nor
            something that will ruin your life. If so, why would mother nature
            allow it? Does mother nature HATE women too?”

            First of all, pregnancy absolutely CAN ruin someone’s life given certain circumstances, and in those cases it IS something to be afraid of. You keep privileging your dogmatic view over other people’s circumstances and it’s just sick. It seems severely hypocritical for you to constantly accuse pro-choice advocates of a lack of empathy when you are clearly unable to empathize with pregnant women. Second, appeals to “mother nature” are as juvenile as they are fallacious; cancer is something that mother nature allows, yet we spend billions trying to get rid of it. I mean, do you really not see how terrible that argument is? Have you really never subjected your own views to even the barest amount of scrutiny?

            “The minimizing of the humanity of the fetus is a political ploy, having nothing to do with medicine or science or truth.”

            No, questioning the personhood of a fetus is a morally responsible approach to determining the moral permissibility of abortion. Even anti-abortion ethicists subject their own views of fetal personhood to scrutiny, they don’t just automatically assume a fetus is a person. You keep referring to “ethics” and “morality,” but it’s clear you haven’t treated those concepts seriously in forming your opinion about abortion.

            “Women have a uterus for no other reason than to carry offspring. That
            is it’s purpose, nothing else.”

            And so? You’re probably trying (but failing) to argue that because the purpose of a uterus is to enable pregnancy to occur (which is itself a teleological fallacy), pregnancy is morally obligatory. But this is, again, some shitty reasoning; clearly the “purpose” of teeth is to process food for your stomach to digest, but that doesn’t mean chewing food is the only morally permissible act you can do with your teeth. If you needed to grasp an object but both hands were busy, you could use your teeth without committing any moral transgression, contrary to what is implied by your argument.

            “Very true, with all the information given to her to make a sound
            judgement, not rhetoric that leaves out the humanity of the offspring
            within her.”

            More question-begging, so what follows is also poor logic.

            “Yet the spokesman for the storks did say these are certified technicians so at least that criticism is gone also.”

            You mean this criticism I never made? I know it’s terribly inconvenient to argue with me and not a strawman, but please put in the effort, mmk?

            “There really can be no objection to this. None.”

            Ha! I’ve given you my objections, and they’ve all stood up to your sloppy, confused scrutiny. I mean look; clearly you’ve formed your opinion based on a combination of what some old white guy says some even older white guys said some being which probably doesn’t exist said and your personal emotional reaction to abortion, and clearly mine is based on a sober account of the ethical tensions at play in abortion. You’re not going to convince me your opinion is correct because a) your religion doesn’t matter and b) your emotions don’t matter, and I’m not going to convince you because you clearly don’t give a shit about rigorous moral thinking. If you want to keep spitting nonsense I’m perfectly willing to keep knocking it down, but you’ll just embarrass yourself.

      • Guest

        Thank you for all of your support!

    • Messenger

       Drink your Cool Aid, take your “blood-money” & go back to sleep!

    • Sharon Leathers

      WHAT!!!  your only reply is to argue about honey.  how strange.

    • Bishopcreations

      Really? Then why the battle to stop ultrasounds? You fool know one.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Charles-Matthew-Goldbach/100002166632141 Charles Matthew Goldbach

      its ok to murder children? no its not, give the child a chance TRUST JESUS

      • jared

        is it ok to murder adults? are you in support of the death penalty, war or any of the crusades. Jesus was just a medieval con artist. Religion has by far been the largest propagator of hatred in this world. I’m pro choice, It’s none of my business if someone doesn’t want to undergo parenthood. Having said that i am a firm believer in educating every one on every side of the issue not just something some book tells me.

      • jared

        is it ok to murder adults? are you in support of the death penalty, war or any of the crusades. Jesus was just a medieval con artist. Religion has by far been the largest propagator of hatred in this world. I’m pro choice, It’s none of my business if someone doesn’t want to undergo parenthood. Having said that i am a firm believer in educating every one on every side of the issue not just something some book tells me. Plus i can’t stand everyone calling aborting a fetus murder. We kill animals and they probably have more conscious thought than a fetus. Yet still we keep them in tiny ass pens and stuff them full of food until they’re fat enough to eat. is that ok? God bared unto his children all seed bearing plants and animals that inhabit the earth, right? Mankind and civilization is the most destructive force this solar system has ever encountered. we’re mold on a piece of bread and we’re just consuming the sandwich. Everyone is entitled to what they believe but chances are Jesus wasn’t this savior he’s been made out to be.

        • Sarah Pierson

          Pro choice is a cop out. “None of your business” is a cop out as well. Animals more conscious than a fetus?! I’ve witnessed a selective abortion and watched as the embryo trys to get away from the needle!
          God has given lawful government the authority to punish evildoers with death.

          • Walt

            You need to more carefully consider what consciousness is. You can poke a round worm and it will try to escape. The same goes for an ant. Physical reaction does not equal consciousness.

            Second, God hasn’t given our government any power – our government is derived from the people. We have a democracy. Theocracies get their power from their gods.

          • Paul Muriello

            exercising your moral right to determine who can and cannot have access to your body is a COP OUT. did you get raped? seeking justice is a COP OUT.

    • Morph7

      Right to terminate…hmm….
      If you have no women coming it to “terminate” their babies than you are out of a job. If you are a clinic employee we all want you be unemployed.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/T2HK6VJPFXYFK43V6GDSZSG2AE Meow.

        Comments like yours are part of what made me realize that I needed to leave the “pro-life” movement. You can’t just make up things that sound nice to you and claim that they’re true.

        The clinic where I work also provides well woman health care (pap smears, treatments for things like vaginal infections, etc.), every method of birth control, an adoption program, pregnancy testing, STI testing, STI treatment, etc. Unless you find a way to ban all of those things, too, we aren’t going anywhere.

        • Bethany

          Can I just say I’ve been very impressed by how calmly you’ve responded to all the very aggressive and degrading posts I’ve seen written on this page today. (Morph7, I’m not specifically targeting your post; I’ve read several posts that were aggressive in nature.) I don’t know your religious views, but, as a Christian, I would certainly hope to see more love and kindness from other individuals who claim to follow a God of love.

          As a whole, when it comes to the topic of abortion, I have a lot of mixed feelings. But I’ve had the benefit of never being in a situation where I had an unwanted pregnancy, and I’m not in a situation where that is a concern for me now. So, I have the benefit of considering this without any personal investment… or the experience of the overwhelming terror related to an unwanted pregnancy (possibly without additional support).

          But here’s where I’m at. I’m a mental health counselor working with teenagers in a residential facility. I’ve worked with teens who have had children of their own; I’ve seen these teens interact with their kids. I’ve also worked with several teenagers whose parents were teens when they had them. And, while there are certainly wonderful, loving, supportive, knowledgeable teenage parents, from my experience, these are the exception to the rule. I wouldn’t want my clients to have the added concern of raising a child when they can’t take care of themselves (not to mention all the long-term health consequences of having children when the body is not ready to give birth; just because someone can get pregnant doesn’t mean the body is actually ready). Also, I can’t imagine how truly awful it would be to get pregnant and carry the child for the duration of the pregnancy after being sexually abused. Every time the pregnant woman looked in the mirror, it would be a reminder of the abuse. Heck, even after giving birth, the stretch marks, weight, change in hormones and everything else would be a trauma reminder. And that just sounds truly AWFUL! Also, I am a feminist and proud of it.

          Lastly, if someone is pro-life, then they should DO SOMETHING to help support/positively influence the kids who are born to young, underprivileged mothers (not that I’m minimizing the importance of the involvement of the pro-choice folk.) People tend to make grandiose, black and white statements, but not consider the outcomes of their stance. Bothersome! I realize that this was way too long in response to your post, but I got on a rant. Anyway, those are my (very elongated) two cents. That is all.

        • Tuco

          In sum, if you are as medically educated and trained as it would seem, then you have to know that mid- and late-term abortions are the taking of a human life. “Murder” is a legal term and has no place in the pro life / pro abort conversation. Roe v Wade hinged on the fuzzy definition of “personhood.” That’s not a medical term. That was a purposeful obfuscation of medical science. That said, how can you work in the medical field and not know that you are engaged in the painful slaughter of an inter-uterine child? And if you know that, how can you sleep at night?

        • redhairrising

          I just want to throw you my support Meow and thank you for being such a level headed, calm, intelligent voice. Thank you.

        • redhairrising

          I just want to throw you my support Meow and thank you for being such a level headed, calm, intelligent voice. Thank you.

        • redhairrising

          I just want to throw you my support Meow and thank you for being such a level headed, calm, intelligent voice. Thank you.

        • redhairrising

          I just want to throw you my support Meow and thank you for being such a level headed, calm, intelligent voice. Thank you.

        • redhairrising

          I just want to throw you my support Meow and thank you for being such a level headed, calm, intelligent voice. Thank you.

        • redhairrising

          I just want to throw you my support Meow and thank you for being such a level headed, calm, intelligent voice. Thank you.

        • redhairrising

          I just want to throw you my support Meow and thank you for being such a level headed, calm, intelligent voice. Thank you.

        • bakakurisu

          “You can’t just make up things that sound nice to you and claim that they’re true.”

          REALLY???

          You mean like “WOMAN’S BODY, WOMAN’S CHOICE!” and “ABORTION IS JUST TERMINATING A PREGNANCY!”, and your various other ridiculous bumper sticker slogans?

          Say… Do you tell your customers that you are IN FACT slaughtering children, or do you ‘gussy it up a bit’?

    • Bretmellis

      Actually almost all the vegans I know eat honey… probably because most of ya are just in for the trendiness of it anywhoo…

    • Monterey

       Unfortunately, there are far too many stories about Planned parenthood trying to ‘steer” women toward having abortion. Girls have reported that the clinics try to find the women’s hot button—“your boyfriend will leave you, your parents will throw you out, you can’t afford it” etc. to get her to put the money down for an abortion. Abortions are said to be somewhere between 40-50% of Planned Parenthood’s revenues. Abby Johnson tells of being ordered as the manager of a PP to “get more abortions”, b/c of the money they make for the clinics. It’s about making more money, not “helping” women. PP has also been caught helping statutory rapists try not to get caught. It’s an ugly business.

      • Paul Muriello

        I like how you made all kinds of claims about PP’s policies without a single citation to back it up, that’s a pretty cool thing

    • Phyllisofical

      What I hear is that you support life just as passionately as you support death.  Do you see the problem with logic here?

    • Stephen
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    • http://www.facebook.com/kathy.mohrlatimer Kathy Mohr Latimer

      You are a murderer.

    • http://www.facebook.com/kathy.mohrlatimer Kathy Mohr Latimer

      You are a murderer.

    • http://www.facebook.com/kathy.mohrlatimer Kathy Mohr Latimer

      You are a murderer.

    • Sarah

      ew terminate wow

    • JLR

      Maybe you and some others do but not Planned Parenthood. There is way too much proof of what they are truely in the business for.

    • brisonc3

      “Good for them. We support that choice just as passionately as we support the right to terminate.”

      That last line is the big problem. Birth or termination, the same thing, no moral or ethical difference. The right to terminate what? What is the objective being involved that is the elephant in the room that pro-choicers won’t address or speak of? Why the total antipathy to the humanity of the fetus, acknowledging only the humanity of the woman? Why can’t pro-choicers acknowledge both? Why does it have to be “fetus or woman” and not “fetus and woman” with the humanity of both being equal in importance?

      Would you make the same allowance for someone that saw women with the same value as a fetus as the pro-choicers give? In societies and countries where women are not seen as equal human beings, but as objects of want and possessions of men, as the law and Constitutions of those countries has dictated, would you show respect for such law or work to change such law?

      Since pro-choicers have shown a belief that law and only law should define who is a “person” or not, is it then acceptable to pro-choicers in this country(such as yourself) to have countries in the world like this and do these pro-choicers have the attitutude of “we respect their morality and their conscience and their religion and therefore will not interfere or criticize them or seek to use international influences to change their laws”?

      If pro-choicers in this country(the US) do fight to change laws in other countries to put women under protection of the law from honor killings, rape and forced marriage, on what basis and what reasoning is this done? pro-choicers claim the law or Constitution of a nation(like the US Constitution) can define and recognize(or not recognize) the personhood of certain groups of humans within a country, just as pro-choicers have fought tooth and nail to keep fetuses from being recognized as legal “persons” and to keep International law from the same recognition of humans in the womb as having equal humanity with all other living members of the human species.

      You can’t have a situation of “choosing birth Good for them” equal to “termination, that’s fine if it’s your informed choice”. One ends up with a dead human with the crime being only someone declared him/her “unwanted” and the other is given the status of “person” even though each is biologically the same and each human has rights based on what he/she is, a member of the human species, not on any religious view. The law doesn’t say black and white humans are equal based on both “have a soul” since a soul is not something that can be seen. The legal view that black and white humans are equal is based on their biology. So being a biological member of the human species is the legal test of humanity, not “ensoulment” as some pro-choicers try to argue.

      By demeaning the humanity of humans in the womb, by allowing the courts to pick and choose the human significance of certain members of humanity, the courts then have the ability to pronounce other segments of American humanity as “non persons” as well at some point in the future unless the subjective view of humanity is changed to an objective one incorporating the Constitution’s protection of equal recognition and protection of the law for all humans, not just the “wanted and planned” ones.

      Pro-choicers actually attack their own argument for gender equality when they argue that the court system has the right to declare any segment of humanity as lacking personhood under the Constitution.

      It is this very premise that has given many Islamic and middle eastern countries the ability to demean and kill women and girls within their societies with legal cover due to women not being seen legally as having the same degree of humanity as a man.

      So in these countries, if a man decides to treat his wife or daughters with respect and equality, that is fine or “good for them”, but if a man chooses to kill or beat his wife or daughter for reasons private within his mind and heart in consultation with his God, “that is his right as well s the law allows”

      this is the the message that translates from “We have no interest in whether or not someone chooses abortion. If they
      want to give birth, that’s wonderful. Good for them. We support that
      choice just as passionately as we support the right to terminate.”

      One is death and inhumanity and inequality and the other choice is equality, and respect for humanity and life. They are not equal choices by any argument.

      You can’t be “pro-choice” and “pro human equality”. To be pro-equality by it’s very nature, will limit the choices of many who wish to treat other humans non-equally and negatively with hate and indifference.

      Pro-choice is then ultimately pro-discrimination and pro-inequality and the US Constitution strictly forbids discrimination against any part of the human population within the country based on age, appearance, disability or where someone lives or is forced to live.

  • http://dalees107.wordpress.com/ Dalees107

    Praise God for your faithfulness!!! Let Joshua 1:9 keep you going!
    It is so encouraging to see on fire young Christians. I will be praying for you all, this movement and for the lives saved and mothers transformed! May God continue to bless you all!

  • Kbco

    This is an amazing example of God’s love that is often not shown by people yelling from the sidelines. Praying that lives are changed!

  • Mueller

    I am in and I love the plan.

  • blondetd8977

    I think it would be pretty cool for those of us planning to donate to save the storks, to also “match” that donation with a donation to the pregnancy centers in Dallas that they partner with. That’s what I am going to do.
    I really appreciated that the article mentioned the need to support the pregnancy centers that God-willing are going to see an influx of women in need of resources.  

    • http://www.facebook.com/TheTruthIsEndless David Pomerantz

      What a Fantastic Idea!

      If you donate to “Involved for Life” you will be supporting two of the pregnancy centers that support us! check it out.

      http://getinvolvedforlife.com/

      • http://www.facebook.com/WarriorJoeBaker Joe Baker

        All of the information about supporting the Dallas Stork Bus and the National ministry can be found at this link:

        http://www.savethestorks.com/index.php/donate 

      • Amy Jerke

        I am so excited about this idea…I used to live in Dallas and worked for the Dallas Pregnancy Resource Center…I am sure you already know about the “Council for Life” but just in case you don’t, they are a HUGE fundraising group just for pro life organizations, they could hlpe you in big ways!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FUAXYREUSFB3LUDJA55NS6OWGU Chicken Little

    No matter where one stands on the abortion issue, the biggest complaint about abortion are against those who have abortions for selfish reasons. I’ve known women who’ve had abortions because it cramped their lifestyle. Well, maybe they should’ve thought about that before having sex and taken precautions against getting pregnant. Women who get an abortion for selfish reasons are no different than those men who refuse to pay child support.

  • hissheeparewe@clearwire.net

    I have tears of joy reading about this wonderful, godly option to traditional right to life agenda. May God bless their fantastic effort to help the mom & baby in their new, stretching growth experience!

    • Pun Nazi

      PUN

  • Kerri Anne

    Inspiring- Good for you, David!

  • kscardfan

    The Knights of Columbus has great program to help pregnancy centers get ultrasounds.  Check it out here.

    http://www.kofc.org/un/en/prolife/ultrasound/index.html

  • Clementine.

    Brilliant and inspiring!

  • Sojourners1

    p.s. We live in New Zealand and I am going to pass this idea on to the NZ pro-life people. By the way: ‘terminate’ means going around with big guns and other weapons to murder anyone in sight. There is nothing polite about this word or its meaning, nor does the baby have a choice in the matter. It gets murdered.

  • Yo Dog

    This is a farce. The van doesn’t offer women “another choice” because abortion clinics already offer an environment that supports women if they want to keep their pregnancy.

    The abortion providers whom I’ve known would be horrified if they ever thought that they had stood in the way of a woman who wanted to be pregnant.

    I think the abortion providers whom I’ve known might actually like delivering babies more than they like performing abortions, but what they like most of all is giving the woman the care that she needs based on the choice that she wants to make.This van only offers a woman help if she chooses not to abort. Abortion clinics offer help either way. There are no strings attached at an abortion clinic.

    Christians: If you want to impress me, don’t raise money to prevent an abortion on the day it’s scheduled. Raise money to prevent an abortion 10-25 years before it’s scheduled. Raise money to teach kids how condoms work. Raise money to buy birth-control pills for women.

    • MotherSetonsDaughter

      “I think the abortion providers whom I’ve known might actually like delivering babies more than they like performing abortions”
       
      Yeah, that’s why Planned Parenthood has an abortion to adoption assistance ratio of 290:1, based on their own annual report.  Follow the (blood) money.

      • http://www.patheos.com/blogs/thecrescat Katrina Fernandez

        I think they meant by “delivering babies” partial birth abortions? I’m perplexed by that because I don’t see too many women walking out of abortion mills cradling infants in their arms. It’s a WTF comment if I ever heard one., :-/  

    • http://www.patheos.com/blogs/thecrescat Katrina Fernandez

      I don’t even know where to begin. Let’s start here, condoms and birth control don’t prevent pregnancy. Instead they promote risk taking behaviors and develop a false sense of sexual security. Let’s pretend you have a rudimentary grasp of reproduction.  Abstinence is the only 100% preventative measure against unplanned pregnancy. 
      And by “support women”, I guess you mean agencies like Planned Parenthood’s  daily legal fight to keep women uninformed of fetal development by not allowing them to see ultrasounds. If abortion is nothing more than a medical procedure they why the cloak of secrecy to keep women as stupid as possible on the development of their baby?Give me a freaking break.  

      • Brianne Dornbush

        Wait a second.  Are you serious? “Condoms and birth control don’t prevent pregancy?”  “But rather promote risk taking behaviors?”  Clearly if you are Christian than you must believe in the Pauline idea of celebacy.  I’m sorry but God created sex and it’s an incredible thing.  The only risky behavior you are describing is bad sex education. 

        If you want a perfect example of how agencies like Planned Parenthood “support women” I’ll would tell you about how as a rape survivor, myself, Planned Parenthood provided me with a year of free crisis couseling which I desparately needed.  As well as supported me physically, and helped me contact the authorities to pursue a legal case.

        I love that so many people say they care about life and the life of a fetus.  What about the hundreds of thousands of children in foster care and waiting to be adopted?  Get off your high horse and get down in the dirt and start making a difference.  Because your incorrect and inflamatory comments only hurt women and children who need help.

        • hellothere.

          You can’t foster or adopt a child if they’re dead.

        • Foster Mother

          As a foster/adoptive parent of 5 (ages between 1 and 10 years at time of adoption) I can truly say that there is value in all human life. I don’t love my children less because they were not “of” me. After learning each of my children’s unique case, I cannot find a reason to EVER abort a child. Here me out:

          My infant’s mother went to prison, couldn’t take care of a baby. If she aborted I would not have the most precious 8 month old little girl! My toddler’s mother didn’t want a baby, spent her abortion $ on coccaine then left him in a carseat 24/7 before he was removed my DCF at 10 months old. My heart bleeds at the thought of not waking up to him every morning, to the thought of this beautiful, happy, developmentally on target toddler as another “blob of tissue” in a medical trash can. My oldest boy’s mother was raped and could not afford an abortion. She verbally, physically and emotionally abused him for 7 years due to her focus on that evil that produced his life, then DCF intervened. I look at my 9 year old, with his happy-go-lucky nature and honor roll performance and see the sun after the rain, the light after darkness. If you ask him now, after being healed through the ultimate love of Christ Jesus, he will tell you he would chose to live all over again, regardless of his parents failures or lack. If given a choice they would all want a chance.

          The pro-choice wording just rubs me wrong. There is choice in pro-life, 1.keep the baby as your own or 2.place the baby for adoption, two choices. 1.Sacrifice your time and effort for another’s life and become a mom or 2.give the child you created a hope and life it deserves without risking your own convenience  What is anti-choice about that? I do wish my children’s mothers chose adoption for their children prior to State intervention, but never do I wish they were dead. Life leaves no room for regret. 

          There are people out there to adopt. Adoption infants are rare and there are 4 families waiting for every infant born in the U.S. I just love my kids, and value their lives.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/T2HK6VJPFXYFK43V6GDSZSG2AE Meow.

        Birth control promotes risky sexual behavior like seatbelts promote risky driving. Which is to say, not at all.

      • Stiffie Fornicatesthedead

        Abstinence is NOT 100% preventative, look at your baby Jesus. Plus, there is a possibility of being raped. I think it is quite contradictory to be anti-choice as well as anti-preventative measure(s). It is counter-productive. Do you know what else is counter-productive? Getting into people’s personal lives and trying to tell them what morality is. Don’t like abortion? How about you go adopt, or support a woman’s decision to “choose life” by providing complete financial service to that future baby until it is 18 years of age….as well as taking care of it? You can’t do those things? Then you don’t get to decide.

        I’m pretty certain condoms and birth control DO prevent pregnancy. What planet are you from, again? Risk taking behaviors? How about DENYING SCIENCE is a risk taking behavior? What do you do when you want to have sex? No birth control at all? Do you only engage in sexual encounters when you are trying to conceive? First, that is hard to believe (and if that is true, no wonder why you are so into other people’s business…try having a nice sex life and you won’t even need to worry about other people). Secondly, this is how the Duggar family came about…and we all know how insane they are.

        What does “false sense of sexual security” even mean? What measures has Planned Parenthood taken against education/information regarding any procedure? You can’t say that about every PP clinic, as the attitudes of people differ. Do you think these anti-choice CPC’s (the clinics that pose as medical “pregnancy resource” centers to help women — instead they lie to them) tell women the TRUTH about their development? I think you’ve been reading the wrong websites. Perhaps you should watch some YouTube videos of what exactly these fake clinics are telling women.

        There can be strong opinions on both sides of the argument — as well as many different interpretations of what he or she said… the best thing a person can do regarding such a sensitive and personal matter is to STAY OUT OF OTHER PEOPLE’S BUSINESS and focus on their own lives.

    • debra51

       Abortions are a cash business…they are there to make money. So cut with the ‘clinics are there to help’ stuff. Try getting them to ‘help you’ if you don’t have any money. I worked in one.
         One other point…are kids so stupid nowadays that we have to teach them to use a condom? No one had to raise money to teach us – we all knew where to get them and how to use them.
       Oh and I am not a Christian.

      • MedStudent

        I’m a medical student, so I’m going through the process of choosing what to specialize in. It seems like OB/GYN is a pretty stressful life, what with women having babies in the middle of the night and all, but the more I read comments on this site, the more I realize there must be HUGE money in abortion! From what you say, I bet I’d make way more money providing abortions than going into, say, plastic surgery!

        Thanks for the career advice! Abortions, here I come!

        (This post is sarcastic, which I assume plenty of people won’t be able to tell. I am actually a medical student, and if there’s some sort of mythically huge cash profit in providing any sort of medical care to people that can’t afford to get an abortion from their regular hospital/clinic/OB/GYN/provider, then it sure ain’t winding up in the hands of the health care providers. Rich women always have and always will be able to get abortions from OB/GYNs that don’t work at Planned Parenthood and other “abortion mills;” these clinics that provide abortions to women off the street are the clinics that serve poor and/or uninsured women.)

    • jaybird

      Yeah lets raise money to give out defective birth control, do you know how many women say that they were on birth control when they fell pregnant. The only birth control I know of that works is knowing how your body works and avoiding the fertile times of your cycle. But funny they don’t teach that one to girls in school. 
      “The abortion providers whom I’ve known would be horrified if they ever thought that they had stood in the way of a woman who wanted to be pregnant.”  You really think a doctor whose job it is to ripe babies apart is going to care whether the woman on the table really wants to be there ?

    • Skegeeace

      I don’t really agree with  “This van only offers a woman help if she chooses not to abort. ”  I’m sure if  woman decides to abort, they offer the woman information on post-care or other resources should she need it or change her mind.
      Providing pre-abortion counseling/care and providing post abortion trauma care aren’t mutually exclusive. You can do both, but it’s hard for one organization to do everything. That’s why you’d have units like “Save the Stork” take up this initiative, another unit provide after-care help and assistance for women who chose to keep their baby, and another Christian-based counseling unit to provide post-abortion counseling. There are *very many* places out there that cover all of these things and the majority who run them are followers of Christ.As for adoption, churches make up a HUGE number of free adoption assistance providers in the country and a huge portion of their patrons are believers. However, just like one can’t expect every non-Christian to adopt, one can’t expect every Christian to adopt, but that doesn’t mean that many don’t. There’s also a huge amount of monetary support given by church members to pregnancy resource centers (First Baptist Church of Atlanta raised the money to open a whole new center a couple of years back that’s serving hundreds in the metro Atlanta area right now.) and that’s not an anomaly or an exception.Basically, it’s not really a farce- it’s just one link in a chain of a large movement to help women who are facing an unplanned pregnancy feel like they can do more than just terminate. They can have help either raising the baby or giving it up for adoption. No easy choices, but it helps when you’re not alone which I can attest to.

    • Cait

       Yo Dog, you said “This van only offers a woman help if she chooses not to abort. Abortion
      clinics offer help either way. There are no strings attached at an
      abortion clinic.” I am a volunteer at my local Pregnancy Resource Center. I can assure you, sir, that pregnancy resources centers like mine and like the Stork DO care for women who go through with abortions as well as those who choose parenting or adoption. There are counselors and classes offered to women who have had abortions, to help them with the emotional pain caused by the abortion, to offer them comfort, and to offer them love. Ultimately that is what we are about – love. Do we get paid millions of dollars for this? Nope. Do we work long, hard, and emotionally grueling hours? Yes. We are here to love women and their babies, whether or not they choose life. The directors and leaders at my local PRC are women who have had abortions, who know the pain involved, and who after receiving abortions through Planned Parenthood went back for post-abortion support and found nothing. Please know, we do not discriminate. We do not judge. We offer the same love we’ve been given by our Lord. Sex, pregnancy, and abortion is so much more than physical and/or medical issues. They are deeply rooted in the soul. And we are offering hope for not only the physical but the spiritual and emotional as well. If you prefer abortion clinics, that’s up to you. But we’re going to continue to press on with this mission. And in the end, we are not hurting anyone. That is something that everyone should be able to support.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Brandon-Rapp/100002039026585 Brandon Rapp

      Wow, the list of things you obviously don’t know anything about are numerous. 1. Everything you said in the first sentence, please re-read the article.             2. Horrified?  Please, you can’t honestly believe that.                                              3. I think the idea of it being a toss up as to what they prefer doing between delivering babies and killing them speaks for itself.                                         4. Refer to #1                                                                                                          5. No strings attached?  I’m just going to let that one go.                                             6. This is definitely the place you most need to do some research.  Christians aren’t interested in impressing you, there interested in pleasing God. And God is definitely pleased with those who stand in defense of those who can’t defend themselves.  Further more, we are not interested in teaching KIDS how condoms work, we’re interested in teaching kids about the sanctity of the marriage bed.  This means not having sex until you’re married and are ready to have kids.  And finally, if you look into how the birth control pill actually works, you will see that it’s just a really early abortion.

      Look this might seem aggressive or judgmental, but what we are talking about here his human life.  The life of an innocent baby!  Please don’t be surprised if people get emotional.  Also, please understand that being a Christian does not mean that someone is supposed to be perfect, we’re just imperfect people just like you.  Sinners saved by the Grace of god just trying the best they can to fallow in the footsteps of the strongest, most loving and compassionate person who ever lived.  GOD MANIFEST IN THE FLESH.  We are not him so don’t be surprised if we don’t compare to him.  None of us do. Including you.

  • Thomas

    May God bless your ministry. Our family wishes success to Save the Storks.

  • Parischik316

    This is a very unique way to help women without pushing them to do anything they don’t want to do.
    Ya’ll should come to Colorado!!!!!

  • kelsey

    As a former christian and pro-choice citizen, I can respect what these people are doing and appreciate their helpful and kind approach. I cannot, however, respect some of the language used in this article about abortion and women’s health clinics. If you want the pro-choice movement to embrace your efforts, please be as open minded in return. Saying that a free ultrasound is an abortion clinic’s “worst nightmare” is just short-sighted and incorrect. These places exist to help women carry out what THEY think is best for their body, their life, and their health.If that is abortion, then it’s their choice. If their mind is changed after an ultrasound, that’s their choice. Do you wonder why the clinics haven’t spoken out against or even mentioned these kinds of efforts? It’s because they are FINE with it. Because they believe in a woman’s choice, as it seems the people behind this movement do. Please don’t spoil that common ground with your own misguided ideas.

    • http://www.facebook.com/TheTruthIsEndless David Pomerantz

      Kelsey……

      The abortion clinics hate us. We take a huge % of their revenue. 

      Most of the women who get abortions are seriously uninformed. The abortion clinics don’t want women to know the truth about abortion. The health risks, the psychological trama. 

      These abortion doctors want to sell abortions just as much as the used car sales man wants to sell you a lemon. 

      Have you ever read Abby Johnson’s book “unplanned”?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=30303588 Thomas Fuller Jr.

    So awesome!!!!

  • Sunealkanhai

    Seems to be a God idea. I do pray much resources and a great harvest.

  • Brenda

    Beautiful.  I had two abortions when I was quite young.  I am for life and would never do this now.  I have repented of the choices I made then and know I will hold my other two sons in heaven–I went through a lot of counseling and healing around this and would never have had abortions if they were illegal.  I am thrilled this ministry is meeting the needs of both the woman and her unborn child and doing it in a way that is loving and kind.

  • Sara G.

    Thanks, Meow. You’re right.  Abortion rights activists aren’t about encouraging people to have abortions, they just want it to remain an option for women who explore all their options and believe termination of the pregnancy is necessary.  

    When I terminated my pregnancy I attended an outwardly Christian/pro-life clinic first as I identify as Christian and the nearest clinic which provided abortions was over an hour away, a lot for a young teenager. However, I was far too young and mentally unstable to carry the pregnancy to term so after a lot of thinking and praying I decided to end the pregnancy.  The clinic where I terminated offered me an ultrasound, which I took.  I left for 24 hours to reflect and decided it was the best choice for me and any future family I might have.  I was asked by 3 separate workers if it was “my choice and my choice alone” to make sure no one was coercing me. 

    I hope that people will learn that while there are manipulative people of every political background, profession, and area code, there are also good people who want you to make the best decision for you.

  • AJ

    Love the simple idea and how it is non-judgmental and how you also give support throughout the pregnancy. What I am about to say does not negate what you are trying to do. I just wish the discourse about abortion was not so simplistic. Let me make my point. Say you fast forward 5-10 years after an unwelcome child is born, she is stuck before the TV for several hours or shuffled between many caregivers while the mother is working two jobs to make ends meet. The child is exposed to the many partners the mother has before she eventually settles, if at all. At 16 or 17, this child will be far more likely to end up in your van. The point I am trying to make is that this is a vicious circle and any effort to help the issue MUST be multi-pronged. Isn’t the root of the problem the instability in relationships. Why do Christians tip-toe around divorce or fornication which maybe be the real reasons for increase in abortions?Why does no one want to say that sex outside marriage is always wrong? is it because we are scared of offending more people to the left and the right? Why are we more burdened by the plight of the unborn than that of the already born. The girl I mentioned at 16 or 17 may look like the perpetrator of a crime(abortion) but if you look at her whole life, the odds were stacked highly against her favor early and she is also a victim. Do we do this because it is easier to love an idea than to love the unlovable? I mean it maybe harder to be in the life of a child than to ensure she is born. I live halfway across the globe but we worship the same God. He is an absolute God. He is offended by all sins, not more offended by the ones we are less likely to commit.And we all fall short.
    How do we break the cycle? I want to suggest that to your approach you also add free/subsidized daycare and aftercare where these mothers get support in child-rearing atleast until 12 and these children are taught about Christ. You have to catch them young to reverse this breakdown. Hope God blesses all your efforts.

  • Anonymous

    Their “Hi! Would you like a free ultrasound?” approach feels misleading to me. Sort of like leaving out the fine print. They don’t want women to know who they are and what they stand for until she’s isolated in their van.

    • http://www.facebook.com/cgwatts Clif Watts

      I disagree, they give free ultrasounds and start up conversations that may (or may not) lead to further services offered by their organization.  I go to work each day to develop foster homes for children, but I have an underlying desire for a paycheck, does that make me misleading? 

    • http://www.facebook.com/TheTruthIsEndless David Pomerantz

      Trust me, anyone who sees us with the stork bus outside the abortion clinic knows exactly who we are. 

      Thats why when a 17 year old girl is being forced by her parents to get an abortion she runs to us for help. Knowing that we can provide her with alternatives to abortion. Not a single woman who comes to us has any question that we do not want her to have an abortion. 

      • Anonymous

        So you really don’t care what is in the best interest of the women you approach. You just pretend you do and that is what I find misleading. For many women, the decision to abort IS the best decision for them. But you won’t tell them that, will you? You’ve already made their decision. The decision to abort is not easy. These women are vulnerable, confused, and scared. Anti-abortion (not pro-life!) groups use those vulnerabilities to manipulate and serve their agenda. Many anti-abortion groups will say and do ANYTHING, factual or otherwise, to save the fetus.

        Also, correct me if I’m wrong, but you aren’t trained professionals. You’re kids with a van, an ultra-sound machine, and a tech. You don’t know what health implications that pregnancy may have for the woman.

        • http://www.facebook.com/TheTruthIsEndless David Pomerantz

          I may be the director of Save The Storks but we do hire professionals. 

          And Abortion is never a good choice. It increases the chance of cancer, it causes long term mental health issues and abortions are dangerous to the mother.

          In what circumstance would you say abortion is the “best” choice. We have women who walk off our bus and go into the clinic all the time. When they come back out we offer them post abortion counseling, and they are welcome to attend the pregnancy centers relationship classes. 

          You act as if we are misleading the women by being clear and upfront with them about different options. Its the abortion clinics that hide the facts and fudge the numbers to get women to have abortions. Unlike the abortion clinic we make no money off of these women at all. zilch. 

          • Anonymous

            The National Cancer Institute does not agree with your claim.

            “In February 2003, the National Cancer Institute (NCI) convened a workshop of over 100 of the world’s leading experts who study pregnancy and breast cancer risk. Workshop participants reviewed existing population-based, clinical, and animal studies on the relationship between pregnancy and breast cancer risk, including studies of induced and spontaneous abortions.

            They concluded that having an abortion or miscarriage does not increase a woman’s subsequent risk of developing breast cancer.

            A summary of their findings can be found in the Summary Report: Early Reproductive Events and Breast Cancer Workshop.

            Until the mid-1990s, the evidence was inconsistent. Findings from some studies suggested there was no increase in risk of breast cancer among women who had had an abortion, while findings from other studies suggested there was an increased risk. Most of these studies, however, were flawed in a number of ways that can lead to unreliable results. Only a small number of women were included in many of these studies, and for most, the data were collected only after breast cancer had been diagnosed, and women’s histories of miscarriage and abortion were based on their “self-report” rather than on their medical records.”

            http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Risk/abortion-miscarriage

            The American Psychological Association also refutes your claim.

            “The best scientific evidence published indicates that among adult women who have an unplanned pregnancy the relative risk of mental health problems is no greater if they have a single elective first-trimester abortion than if they deliver that pregnancy.”

            http://www.apa.org/pi/women/programs/abortion/index.aspx

            And the Guttmacher Institute also disagrees with you.

            “The risk of abortion complications is minimal: Fewer than 0.3% of abortion patients experience a complication that requires hospitalization.[11]”

            http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_induced_abortion.html#11

            If you want to give women options, that’s great. But your assertations don’t hold up.

          • http://www.facebook.com/TheTruthIsEndless David Pomerantz

            Sorry It took so long to respond, It took me a little while to research the information I needed. 

            As far as NCI, I don’t know why they continue to use a 2003 workshop when many more studies have been done showing a link to breast cancer and abortion. 

             

            Ozmen V, Ozcinar B, Karanlik H, Cabioglu N, Tukenmez M, et al.  Breast cancer risk factors in Turkish women – a University Hospital based nested case control study. World J of Surg Oncol 2009;7:37. Available at: http://wjso.com/content/7/1/37. Xing P, Li J, Jin F. A case-control study of reproductive factors associated with subtypes of breast cancer in Northeast China. Medical Oncology, e-publication online September 2009. Available at: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19771534. Dolle J, Daling J, White E, Brinton L, Doody D, et al. Risk factors for triple-negative breast cancer in women under the age of 45 years. Cancer Epidemiol Biomarkers Prev 2009;18(4)1157-1166. Available at:http://www.abortionbreastcancer.com/download/Abortion_Breast_Cancer_Epid_Bio_Prev_2009.pdf Khachatryan L, Scharpf R, Kagan S. Influence of diabetes mellitus type 2 and prolonged estrogen exposure on risk of breast cancer among women in Armenia. Health Care for Women International2011;32:953-971. Available at: http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/07399332.2011.569041 

            In fact, it has even been accepted by many government departments. In the Texas Department of State Health Services “A woman’s right to know” It is acknowledged that a woman’s risk of breast cancer may be increased due to abortion

            As far as phycological issues due to abortion, feel free to sit in on any of our post abortion counseling sessions with women who have had abortions and hear their story. It becomes very clear that abortion causes psychological damage maybe not to all, but definitely most. 

            And as far as the guttmacher institute, they are a division of planned parenthood. Obviously they would hold stake in making abortion seem as harmless as possible. The guttmacher institute lowers its numbers by only counting the women who need to be hospitalized. But abortion is a blind procedure. there are complications all the time! So what if you didn’t need to be hospitalized. When the vacuum punches a hole in your uterus you may not need to be hospitalized but it will still cause long term damage.

            Never mind the abortion death statistics. 

            Abortion RisksThe risks are fewer when an abortion is done in the early weeks of pregnancy. The further along in the pregnancy, the greater the chance of serious complications and the greater the risk of dying from the abortion procedure. For example:One death per every 530,000 abortions if you are at eight weeks or less.
            One death per 17,000 abortions for pregnancies at 16–20 weeks.
            One death per 6,000 abortions at 21 weeks and more.http://www.dshs.state.tx.us/wrtk/informed-decision.shtmAbortion is not getting your tooth pulled. Its a extremely unnatural process for a mother. And Is always driven by a force of fear. We try to have the resources to handle any fear that these mothers may have. Its almost like you imagine that these women are dragged on our sneaky bus, forced to keep their baby by us lying to them.  Then they continue on with their life wishing they had aborted and not kept their child.These women become our friends, they are unimaginably happy that someone was willing to help them with this difficult choice. They thank us for helping them, they tell us they felt like they had no other option until they met us.We want to grow healthy families, and serve these mothers. The abortion clinics see women who are pregnant as target market. Former PP directors leave and expose the abortion clinics sneaky tactics all the time.Read Abby Johnsons “unplanned” or hear the story of Carol Everett. http://prolifeaction.org/providers/everett.phpThese are just two of many many women who have come out of the abortion industry exposing it for what it really is. 

          • http://www.facebook.com/TheTruthIsEndless David Pomerantz

            the last part of my comment got messed up. 

            http://prolifeaction.org/providers/everett.php

            These are just two of many many women who have come out of the abortion industry exposing it for what it really is. 

          • Nina

            The concern I have with your data (besides the too limited scope of the studies you cite) is that the people who are speaking out are coming from a background of for-profit abortions.  I have no argument that these are unethical and exploitative, as I would say that all for-profit health care is. But most abortion providers are  not-for-profit, they aren’t out to make money off abortions because they aren’t out to make money.  Legalization of abortion allowed non-profits to provide abortions instead of purely for-profit criminals exploiting women and performing back-alley abortions.  It is not, however, reasonable to generalize the experience of people who became abortion providers in order to make money as the the experience of all abortion providers, since they are such a minority.

          • http://www.facebook.com/TheTruthIsEndless David Pomerantz

            Most abortion Providers are not out to make money? What???

          • Anonymous

            Last parting thought, open your mind to the fact that you may not have all the answers and that you may in fact, be wrong. Look outside your limited perspective. And please, develop better reading comprehension skills. Nina’s point was that all your information about abortion providers come from actively anti-abortion organizations and from those who exploited women for money in their for-profit businesses. You then posted a response with info from actively anti-abortion organizations and from the ex-director of a for-profit abortion clinic.

          • http://www.facebook.com/TheTruthIsEndless David Pomerantz

            For an unlimited amount of information on PP specifically selling abortions just look over the LiveAction website. Here is just a modest example.

          • Anonymous

            You say that not all, but definitely MOST women have regrets or deep emotional wounds from having an abortion.  The fact is, you don’t know MOST of the women who have had abortions.  You know a tiny percentage….the ones who you’ve talked to.  What about the ones that say “no” to you, walk in, get the abortion, and walk out never to return?  Are you presuming to know their emotional/psychological state?  The ones that come to you do so because they are hurting (likely because of people who insist that they are murderers and such).  Is abortion easy?  No, but you assert that emotional and psychological trauma is the norm based on YOUR very limited perception.  The ones who move on with their lives after an abortion don’t go on to write books, blogs, and become counsellors.  Those who have had a negative experience are more likely to talk about it.  Get a terrible meal at a restaurant and you’re more likely to tell your friends “DON’T GO THERE!”.  Have a neutral experience and you aren’t going to make an issue of it.  And really, no one is going to say abortion is awesome.

            The citations you provided on the link between breast cancer and abortions are limited and inconclusive at best.  The information supplied was isolated to specific regions (Turkey, China, Seattle area, and Armenia), and with limited sample sizes.  The largest sample size being 2,147 women in Turkey and the smallest being 302 women in Armenia  Compare that to the link I provided; 44,000 women over 53 studies in 16 different countries.  Need I say more?

            The point being, we can ALL (myself included) find studies to support our preconceived ideas.  The difference between us is, again, I believe women should be able to make their own decision, free of coercion.  You do not.  If given the chance you will make abortions, in any circumstance, illegal.  As for me?  If she wants to carry her pregnancy to term, thats great!  If she wants to have an abortion, I support that too.  I will acknowledge potential risks and will tell a woman it is her decision.  You will tell her why she shouldn’t.  

          • http://www.facebook.com/TheTruthIsEndless David Pomerantz

            And so we are bad guys for advising women to not have an abortion, and then offering them free services and resources to help them with their pregnancy? 

            I just don’t understand.

          • Anonymous

            You will see what you want to see. You will spout off questionably accurate data and use their vulnerabilities to coerce women to do what you want them to do, then act as if you’re innocently trying to give women choices. You aren’t.

            I think it’s great that you want to give resources to women who choose to carry their pregnancies to term. I think it’s abhorrent that you make these sweeping statements to get women to believe your agenda. You make these claims, and then go seek research to back it. And yet, you still haven’t addressed the fact that your experience is limited to a tiny percetage of women or that the studies you cited were isolated with very small sample sizes.

            At this point, I’ve spent way too much time addressing this issue to someone who genuinely believes that he is right, knows what is best for all pregnant women, and has no qualms about his deceptive methodology. That being said, have a nice day.

          • Anonymous

            Also, Texas? For crying out loud…Texas is a well known conservative state. Of course they would implement a law like that. Government acceptance does not validate anything except the views of the people in that jurisdiction.

          • http://www.facebook.com/TheTruthIsEndless David Pomerantz

            For crying out loud, you referenced the Guttmacher institute.

            Only a non-profit owned by a abortion provider. 

          • Anonymous

            And to answer your question, I don’t determine when an abortion is the best choice. The woman does. That’s why it’s called choice.

  • Sam from Florida

    I know this has basically been said before, but I do find it ironic how this so-called “pro-choice” organization Planned Parenthood can be so against women being required to see an ultrasound so that they can make a fully informed “choice”. I believe in women’s rights to freedom and equality just as much as I believe in those same rights for the unborn. This ministry is a huge step forward and is encouraging to see. I feel as though the rights of the unborn is the final frontier to be conquered in the equal protection fight and I hope that one day we can see the same success with the unborn’s rights as we have with minorities and women.

  • Everdazed2000

    I think that this is a wonderful alternative to the whole “You’re gonna burn in Hell” approach.
     To Meow, if your clinic truly is only interested in helping women then that is great. Unfortunately that’s not always how it works. I called a clinic because I had just moved across the country and found out I was pregnant. My husbands insurance had not kicked in yet so I called for initial prenatal care and was asked what business I had bringing a life into this world when I could not even afford care before my baby was born. I never went there, and never called back. My beautiful daughter will be turning 9 this week and I can’t imagine what my life would be like without her smiling face.

  • Bgutho

    This is very interesting. I wonder if our local pregnancy info center would like to get involved or somehow we could have this in Waupaca.

  • Guest

    I noticed Save the Storks is referring women for legal help in Dallas. I’m sure you already know about Northwest Texas Legal Aid and of course the Texas Bar Association’s lawyer referral system, but if you have immigrant women (especially those who are being abused or are victims of crime) who need immigration help, also check out Catholic Charities of Dallas, Mosaic, and Human Rights Initiative. It’s an incredibly common scenario: immigrant wife/gf; pregnant; abused by citizen/resident partner who suddenly refuses to complete the immigration process for wife/gf. There are places that can help with legal and other human needs! The idea that “prolifers don’t care after the child is born” is so false!

    • http://www.facebook.com/TheTruthIsEndless David Pomerantz

      What great advice! I will look into this. 

  • KH

    AMAZING!! thank you for fighting every day for those who cannot fight for themselves. there may be hope for this generation yet :)

  • meg

    This is beautiful, and I love this idea! I am so glad Save the Storks is coming to Dallas!

  • ThankYouDave

    This is a Great Idea!!! Thank you for being creative and using your mind to help others.

    All this Back and forth. What Has anyone of yall done to change anyones life lately? Here is a guy thats simply trying to change the world with his own creation. Taking a non bais approach and providing a service. I have not seen one comment thanking him. This world needs more people like Dave.

    • http://www.facebook.com/TheTruthIsEndless David Pomerantz

      Thank you for your kind and encouraging words!

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Brandon-Rapp/100002039026585 Brandon Rapp

      You know, you’re right. Thank’s Dave!  And now that you mention it, the thing that is striking me is that this young man in his early twenties represents the biggest empty spot in the pew today. I hope along with all the things he is doing with this cause it will inspire other young men an women to step up and live for Christ.  Thanks again Dave, even many of us older brothers can learn a lot from your example.

  • Skegeeace

    Wow, wow, wow! I’m reTweeting, Facebooking, and Google+ posting this! Awesome ministry!

  • Degas1965

    This is a phenomenal idea. It allows the mother the choice by confronting her gently with the truth.

  • http://calledtobeanartist.blogspot.com/ Alexandria Alkire

    This is fantastic!  Recently a friend and I were just talking about that verse James 1:27, and we’re taking steps to help more people in our church because of it.  I’m encouraged to know that there are other young adults who feel the same way.  If you ever decide to put on an art show benefit I’ll gladly volunteer or donate a piece for auction.

  • Donna – Nurturing Beginnings –

    Dave, thank you for your creative idea.  I am a midwife in Idaho, and I applaud and appreciate what you are doing!  God bless!

  • Novella

    What a great idea.  I volunteer at a pro life facility…ABBA…All Babies Born Alive in Gainesville, TX.  We give free pregnancy tests and free sonograms.  It is amazing to see the number of our clients who choose life when they see that little heart beat or a tiny hand waving at them.  Dave keep up the good work.

  • Caroleathe

    Joey, I’m thrilled to see Save the Storks is operating in Dallas. I volunteer to help in your hometown area. God bless. Neat to see your ministry hitting FB

  • Nina

    I think it’s interesting that it’s a group of men doing this.  Also, the bait and switch method doesn’t seem that ethical- I understand that we want to save babies’ lives and all, but do the ends truly justify the means? Coupled with the fact that many women who want to keep their babies are informed only about adoption at many crisis pregnancy centers.  I know people who could only get help actually raising their children from Planned Parenthood.
    Also, what does Dave’s veganism have to do with this?  

    • Freetoworship

       I think the veganism comments were supposed to add a little humor, the writer is also a comedienne.  She didn’t say he was a vegan, just that he looked like he could be one. 

      • http://www.facebook.com/TheTruthIsEndless David Pomerantz

        I actually am a vegan ;-D

        What is bait and switch about our approach? 

        We actually offer way more resources then just adoption. We try to serve these women in every area of their lives. 

        • Nina

          I’m vegetarian.  I hope any
          articles about me will reference me enjoying my bean burgers with cheese 😉

           

          Perhaps it is the way that this
          article is written, but the line “‎Because they
          don’t have to lead with agenda, there are no warning bells for a desperate and
          defensive mother…” set off warning bells for me.  If Save The Stork is wholly committed to the
          ethics and morality of its agenda, why does it have to lead with something
          else?  Do the women know that they’ll be
          encouraged to continue their pregnancies? 
          For a lot of people “counselor” evokes very specific images of a person
          dedicated to the client’s well-being.  Is
          it made clear that these counselors are also meant to encourage women not to
          abort before the women agree to speak with them?  When and how much pressure is applied once
          women are in the van? These things all strike me as troubling, although perhaps
          it was the way the article was written.

           

          I don’t doubt that you
          mean well, but if organizations want to partner with local pregnancy centers
          but want a national brand, they need to find some way to be consistent so they
          don’t tarnish their brand.  That’s my only concern with the way partnering
          with local pregnancy crisis centers was presented.

           

          I also find the
          characterization of abortion providers and staff insulting and dehumanizing.  I know a lot of people who have had abortions
          and who help women get abortions, and it’s never a celebration, even if
          everyone in the situation agrees that it was the right choice.

          • Anonymous

            Misinformation is what happens in the van, if Mr. Pomerantz’s comments here are an indicator. Mr. Pomerantz previously responded that abortions cause an increased risk for cancer, cause life-long mental health problems, and are dangerous to women. No proof. Just wide, sweeping comments intended to convince me of his agenda.

            I responded by providing links to scientific studies that refuted each and every one of his claims from places like the National Cancer Institute, the American Psychological Association, and the Guttmacher Institute. See below.

            Unfortunately, I still haven’t received a response, although I am not surprised in the least. :(. Truth is not important. They will lie (or at the very least, neglect to research outside their own literature if their stances are ACTUALLY true) to get their way. This is what I object to about CPCs and groups like this. It’s common and frequent.

          • http://www.facebook.com/TheTruthIsEndless David Pomerantz

            Im actually in the process of writing a response. I should be posting it around 1 today.

          • Courtney

            DNC are known to cause increased risk for cancer and can be dangerous. It’s basically the same procedure, just done in a hospital after a baby has already died. What makes you think it’s magically different with abortions? If anything, the extra stress many women feel after getting abortions would increase the chances of mental problems and stress-realted health issues. And while I would never say everyone regrets their decision to abort, I think it’s fair to say that many do. Why are people so offended by another helping hand? Those that choose to abort can still walk out of the van and into the clinic. But those that don’t have the help they thought they couldn’t get elsewhere. Some women are just looking for someone to tell them it will all be ok.

          • Anonymous

            Sure, they still can choose to walk out and have an abortion. But given the option, Save the Storks would take that away from them, which is why I believe they are misleading when they say they give women choices. They give one option. Carry the pregnancy to term, and deal with it. Do they offer resources? Sure. But choices? No.

            I never said an abortion does not have it’s risks. It’s a medical procedure. But to make claims that abortions are “dangerous” only serves to manipulate by instilling fear in already scared women. To claim that women will have long-term psychological and emotional problems also serves as a manipulation tactic. No one celebrates abortion. No one claims there is no sadness involved. But to tell a woman she will suffer emotional trauma is misleading because many don’t. Many are relieved. I would hypothesize that the ones that do suffer seriously are overwhelmed with guilt put on them by organizations like Save the Stork or by a deeply religious upbringing.

            As far as the cancer claim, I may have to do more research. I’m not closed-minded to the point of shutting my eyes to facts. But even with that, I’d be inclined to say that many women would say “I’ll take the risk. I MAY get cancer in the future, but my immediate situation is more pressing”.

            I need to get back to work, but I will look closer at Mr. Pomerantz’s reply shortly.

          • hellothere.

            I see no shame in telling people that a dangerous procedure is dangerous.

            Along with the potential cancer development and the psychological effects mentioned above, I know of several people who, after having an abortion, either could not have children again or had immense difficulty or pain in bearing children from that point on. These are still only a few of the potential risks. While I agree that some women might be ‘scared off’ by these allegedly over-hyped effects, I would not agree that there is any shame in telling them. If these women really want an abortion, they will still get one regardless of what you tell them; but they should at least be well-informed of every potential positive or negative outcome. It is a risky process with many potential side effects, and the real disgrace would be to not inform them of any and all possible effects.

    • http://www.facebook.com/TheTruthIsEndless David Pomerantz

      NARAL was started by two men. Isn’t that interesting? 

      • Nina

        Who runs Save the Storks?

        • http://www.facebook.com/TheTruthIsEndless David Pomerantz

          Save The Storks is operated by Get Involved for life. 

          I am the Director, But my boss is a woman, and everyone else that works in Involved for life is a woman. 

          • Nina

            So Joe Baker was misreported as the national director in this article?

          • http://www.facebook.com/TheTruthIsEndless David Pomerantz

            Nope, Joe was referenced correctly. 

            He is just director of national, different job descriptions, different then what we will be doing on the ground in dallas.

            Hes in charge of marketing, up keeping the website, making connections, fund raising, creative idea development. Im in charge of things specifically in Dallas. 

          • Nina

            So not everyone besides you who works for Save the Storks is a woman then?  

  • http://twitter.com/TimDavidoff Timmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

    Stop using the word hipster you silly

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/T2HK6VJPFXYFK43V6GDSZSG2AE Meow.

    Is it blood money, or “blood-money”? I don’t think quotation marks mean what you think they mean. 😛

  • Non-Judging

    At the risk of being “attacked” by people who don’t understand…. I was raped.  I didn’t believe in abortion and so I had my son all the while facing ridicule as an unwed mother by those who didn’t know the circumstances (it’s not something you feel comfortable telling people) and being shunned by my family.  It was a long painful thing to go through.  My son is now 24.  At times it was difficult to look at him because he looks like the rapist.  I love my son though, so let’s not misunderstand that!  My daughter was pregnant last year with a very difficult pregnancy.  Through an ultrasound, we found out the baby had multiple deformities and probably wouldn’t make it.  Because of our beliefs, she chose to carry the baby.  At close to 5 months uterine, the baby was slowly dying and in the process poisoning my daughter to the point we almost lost her.  She had to have an emergency “abortion” if you will.  She was devastated and people can be so cruel with their opinions made from ignorance.  There are times when abortions are warranted.  I hold strong to my faith but I believe the person needs to make the choice that is right for them.  Who are we to judge and condemn?

  • Monterey

    thank goodness that we are coming out of the dark ages, where people believed that a human unborn baby is a formless blob until just seconds before he/she is born. Many pro-aborts claim this is NOT at all human, but of course the baby is human. When he/she is born, it is not a kitten or a zebra. many will still make the “formless blob”  claim, even though the baby has a head, arms, legs, beating hearts, elbows, knees and more before even getting out of the first trimester. It’s amazing when people try to call it a formless blob even in these more enlightened times.

  • Seneca311

     In 1987, I walked into a building that offered the exact same thing.  I got a free pregnancy test and was told I was pregnant, and was asked, “What can we do to help you?”  I said I wanted to keep my child, and they gave me 100% free prenatal care, free ultrasounds, blood tests, prenatal vitamins.  Free, safe delivery in the hospital, free postnatal care for my son and myself.  The word abortion was never uttered.  I was uninsured, unmarried at the time.    Because of this group, I was able to make a sound decision, free of coercion, and choose a healthy pregnancy and life for my first son.  This was at Planned Parenthood.

    If I found that van instead, and if, after the “free” ultrasound I decided to walk into the building anyway (knowing what awaited me), would I have been treated with that same dignity and respect?

    • http://www.facebook.com/TheTruthIsEndless David Pomerantz

      Of course. Absolutely, we are not militant about abortion. We are Pro-Women. We just believe abortion is the worst of all the choices available. 

      • sarahoverthemoon

        If you are pro-woman, why pretend that babies come from storks?

    • Phyllisofical

      Yes, funded mostly by everyone else’s tax dollars.  They can afford to be generous.  I’m glad you had a good experience.  Many certainly have not.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/T2HK6VJPFXYFK43V6GDSZSG2AE Meow.

        How do you know that it was “mostly by everyone else’s tax dollars,” exactly? I seriously don’t understand how you can oppose abortion yet criticize women when they need help having their babies.

        • Anonymous

          “Don’t you dare kill that precious baby! That baby deserves to LIIIIVE!”

          “How dare you need help raising a child when the father has left, you work a minimum wage job, and don’t have an education! If you weren’t such a slut you wouldn’t be needing help!”

          What this person is criticizing is being a woman. Lines up nicely with the conservative rhetoric.

  • hellothere.

    I can’t fully express how much I appreciate what you are doing here; all I can say is God bless you. I’m definitely checking out your website to see how I can help with getting this to go nationwide.
    I had no idea that this existed until Sunday night, when two comedians came to our church and one of them was wearing a Save the Storks t-shirt (very nice design, by the way. It was eye-catching, and seeing as I heard several other people talking about it and wondering what it was, I’d say it served the purpose well). I must admit that it slipped my mind until a few minutes ago when two of my friends posted links to this article on Facebook.
    Speaking as a young teen, it’s easy to get discouraged and not know how to make a difference. I mean, we’re just kids, right? But after reading this, it’s given me a new resolve to not wait until I’m in college to be actively involved in this area of ministry. I’m going to start now, and I’m going to start by getting that t-shirt. :)

    • http://www.facebook.com/TheTruthIsEndless David Pomerantz

      That is incredible! 

      Was the comedian Bob Smily?

      And your absolutely right. Stop at nothing, Listen to the Lord he will guide you. 

  • Natbethea

    OMG i’m crying…genius.

  • http://www.facebook.com/paul.blair2 Paul Blair

    I’m no Christian, but I’d like it if no one decided abortion was the best option they had available to them.

  • Steve

    While I was uncomfortable with some of the expressions in the article, the idea is the best I’ve heard in a long time. It completes the over-all care of expectant mothers in trouble and really does something positive to save lives. May God grant these guys continued support and deepen their compassion as they love on folks!

  • Kvr

    I think the idea of caring for woman with troubled lives and minimal options is a good thing, I think preaching Jesus and telling them will be saving lives is wrong. Choice is a good thing in an overpopulated world with natura
    Resources being taxed more and more everyday.

  • Nd Bova

    You know what the big “revolution in the pro-life movement” would be:

    (its a big surprise!)

    NO MORE PRO LIFE MOVEMENT. Why? you ask. Well here’s why: Because it makes no sense! Why does the “small gov’t, don’t make me do anything” party want to deny women the right to their bodies? Why do they think “life beings at conception” makes sense? Why do they believe gametes and zygotes deserve full person hood rights? Why do they want to overturn a woman’s right to contraception? I cannot answer these questions, as I use the logic, empiricism, and sapience evolution has given me, where they clearly do not! 

    • Guest

      Here’s a question then: if the woman has a right to her body, and what goes on in that body, why is the man bound by the woman’s choice? If she chooses to have an abortion, in many places he cannot stop her; but if she chooses to have a full-term pregnancy, in many places he must pay for the child that she chose to have. So if the woman’s choice does not happen at conception, then why–for all intents and purposes–does the man’s?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1493114549 Sunny Turner

    Thank God for you, my Philadelphia Hero!  Coming from Philly to Tucson opened up the pro-life movement to me several years ago, and I am blessed to be among those who dedicate their time, energy, and talents to doing God’s Work.  Best wishes for you to have phenomenal success, Dave.  If you get to the Tucson AZ area, please locate me on facebook.  Sunny Turner, M.E.V.

  • Mike

    Great article!

  • Fjl7

     thanks granddaughter…yr grandfather& I loved this article.You kids are the hope of the world to come!!!XXGram

  • http://www.facebook.com/WarriorJoeBaker Joe Baker

    This post has brought a ton of traffic to the Save The Storks site!  Thank you!  Just by reposting this blog on your Facebook helps us more than you know!  

  • Sharon

    The “stork” van is an abortion clinics worst nightmare for a couple of reasons….. A child’s life is spared AND no monies for that abortion clinic for that saved child whose lost life DEFINATELY financially benefits that clinic!!

  • J H K

    This is very inspiring! Great work! Have yous ever considered developing into doing some schools education? On relationships? Honouring women, etc? A lot of unplanned pregnancies come from abuse of women: rape; drunken casual sex with a man who has no care; human trafficking; forced sex-slavery; etc. Bless you all.

  • Jessica

    Meow, usually people do not learn about medical procedures before they accept them. This is the issue in America… we have all these drugs and procedures being offered to TREAT our FEELINGS or OPINIONS but nothing to PREVENT what we do not want to happen. IF you ARE NOT READY to have a CHILD and sacrifice your life for a child, you DO NOT have sex. Period. America is missing out on some serious innovations due to individuals throwing away their freedom to responsibility and accountability. Try to obey your parents or the truth for a while and you WILL reap benefits. End of Story.

    Sincerely,

    JessicaDeviation from Nature IS deviation from Happiness. -Samuel Johnson

  • Marthaskeeters

    The article says the stork people are in for the long haul.  Does that mean making sure the family has lunch money for the kids in school, activities money?  Health insurance? Money for higher ed?  Protection when the restraining order against an abusive partner doesn’t work?  Come on.  I applaud efforts to give pregnant women options, but this friendly approach strikes me as a sneak attack on women who are very vulnerable.  They not only need to think about a fetus becoming a baby——something to consider for sure—-they also need to consider and probably have considered the responsibility of taking on the feeding and nurturing children for life.     I am curious about the counseling that’s mentioned.  Does it give women a rundown on what parenting involves?  Or does it simply encourage them to give birth regardless of their situation.  Women generally want to be responsible.  If the stork people help with immediate needs, does that just encourage women to be irresponsible by giving birth to children they cannot take care of for the long haul.  Unless this outfit signs a contract to help with the responsibilities until the baby reaches adulthood, they appear to be taking advantage of these vulnerable women, many of whom have no doubt made a brave decision to interrupt their pregnancy because they are in no position to have a child and want to do the responsible and moral thing, which is not to have a child.

  • Guest

    The article says the stork people are in for the long haul.  Does that mean making sure the family has lunch money for the kids in school, activities money?  Health insurance? Money for higher ed?  Protection when the restraining order against an abusive partner doesn’t work?  Come on.  I applaud efforts to give pregnant women options, but this friendly approach strikes me as a sneak attack on women who are very vulnerable.  They not only need to think about a fetus becoming a baby——something to consider for sure—-they also need to consider and probably have considered the responsibility of taking on the feeding and nurturing children for life.     I am curious about the counseling that’s mentioned.  Does it give women a rundown on what parenting involves?  Or does it simply encourage them to give birth regardless of their situation.  Women generally want to be responsible.  If the stork people help with immediate needs, does that just encourage women to be irresponsible by giving birth to children they cannot take care of for the long haul.  Unless this outfit signs a contract to help with the responsibilities until the baby reaches adulthood, they appear to be taking advantage of these vulnerable women, many of whom have no doubt Mostade a brave decision to interrupt their pregnancy because they are in no position to have a child and want to do the responsible and moral thing, which is not to have a child.

    • Kay

      Oh brother. You can’t expect someone to live your life for you. That’s your job. I’ll provide support to those going through a vulnerable time, but I’m not going to send their kids through college. That’s your job, or your kids’ job to get their own job and pay for it themselves. There’s a difference between help in a time of need and stupid dependency.

      My dad was a factory worker. For much of my life we couldn’t afford health insurance. We didn’t have much, and what we did have we mostly got secondhand. My parents couldn’t afford to send me to college. I took out a loan and paid it back myself. Even then, my mom refused to send me to a public school. She raised strawberries in order to scrape enough together to send me to a small private school in our town. I ate cheese sandwiches every single day for lunch for eight years.

      I guess by your logic they should have just killed me off rather than allow me to live a happy life. Yeah, happy. Believe it or not it’s possible to be happy without a three-car garage.

    • Kay

      Your viewpoint is that this woman who is currently going through a hard time, is fundamentally flawed and too weak to ever learn how to provide for herself and her offspring.

  • Nick

    “It’s easy to be pro-choice when you’re not the one being killed”. The only thing that makes abortion such a confusing issue, for me at least, is when the woman apparently has to have one in order to save her own life? Otherwise, I’m totally pro-life. One thing’s for sure: We NEED more women to speak out against this because when a man speaks out against it the reaction is always “You’re a man. You just don’t understand.” But when a woman speaks out against it people just can’t say that. And they tend to be better listeners on the matter. I want to thank the women who spoke out against it in this debate. : ) PEACE

  • Alli7201

    “Eugenics is … the most adequate and thorough avenue to the solution of racial, political and social problems.Margaret Sanger, Founder of Planned Parenthood 

    She seems like a peach, just like this guy.
    “If I can send the flower of the German nation into the hell of war without the smallest pity for the shedding of precious German blood, then surely I have the right to remove millions of an inferior race that breeds like vermin” Adolf Hitler Quotes 

  • Nitnot

    “There is no dangling rosary, no graphic pamphlet, no doom-and-gloom. Just an offer of free help from a non-threatening, friendly, smiling young person.”

    A rosary is a threat like a graphic pamphlet?  I realize these kids, may God bless them and this wonderful ministry, are evangelicals, but are they also bigots?  Is the author?  A rosary is a threat?  Unbelievable.

    • Kay

      Well, they’re thinking from the mother’s perspective who may not be at all religious and might see such a thing as intimidating.

  • Wendy

    I want to support these vans being available in front of each abortion clinic. A woman should have options and she should not be met with hostility or argumentation when she is in a desperate situation where she feels there is only one option.
     
    For Meow and Jennifer below: I highly recommend reading the book “Unplanned” by Abby Johnson as a possible eye opener for the opposing side’s views. It is not polarizing in the way the information is presented and it very useful since you are both obviously very involved in these discussions.

  • jyladvik

    People who think abortion doesn’t cause problems for a woman’s ability to get pregnant in the future, should google “Asherman’s Syndrome”. Although I did not have an abortion, I did have a D&C and this resulted in scarring that made it very difficult for me to get pregnant later on.

  • jyladvik

    People who think abortion doesn’t cause problems for a woman’s ability to get pregnant in the future, should google “Asherman’s Syndrome”. Although I did not have an abortion, I did have a D&C and this resulted in scarring that made it very difficult for me to get pregnant later on.

  • jyladvik

    People who think abortion doesn’t cause problems for a woman’s ability to get pregnant in the future, should google “Asherman’s Syndrome”. Although I did not have an abortion, I did have a D&C and this resulted in scarring that made it very difficult for me to get pregnant later on.

  • jyladvik

    People who think abortion doesn’t cause problems for a woman’s ability to get pregnant in the future, should google “Asherman’s Syndrome”. Although I did not have an abortion, I did have a D&C and this resulted in scarring that made it very difficult for me to get pregnant later on.

  • jyladvik

    People who think abortion doesn’t cause problems for a woman’s ability to get pregnant in the future, should google “Asherman’s Syndrome”. Although I did not have an abortion, I did have a D&C and this resulted in scarring that made it very difficult for me to get pregnant later on.

  • jyladvik

    People who think abortion doesn’t cause problems for a woman’s ability to get pregnant in the future, should google “Asherman’s Syndrome”. Although I did not have an abortion, I did have a D&C and this resulted in scarring that made it very difficult for me to get pregnant later on.

  • jyladvik

    People who think abortion doesn’t cause problems for a woman’s ability to get pregnant in the future, should google “Asherman’s Syndrome”. Although I did not have an abortion, I did have a D&C and this resulted in scarring that made it very difficult for me to get pregnant later on.

  • jyladvik

    People who think abortion doesn’t cause problems for a woman’s ability to get pregnant in the future, should google “Asherman’s Syndrome”. Although I did not have an abortion, I did have a D&C and this resulted in scarring that made it very difficult for me to get pregnant later on.

  • Tammi

    Ok, so I am a Christian who believes with all of my heart that God does not support abortion. My husband and I had a tubal pregnancy that was far enough along that I was bleeding pretty badly and had to have surgery to yes remove my right fallopian tube and the baby inside of it. My heart bleeds every time I think about how I lost that pregnancy and that I never got to hold my baby. Some people will probably condemn me because I had the surgery to save my life, some people will probably support me in that decision. Quite frankly I was so heart sick at the time that I was just swept along by the doctors trying to do what was best for me because at that point the baby would not survive one way or the other. There was nothing that they could do to save our child so saving me was the number one priority. I don’t believe God wanted me to die as well. But what people need to focus on is that the God that I serve is a very loving, merciful, grace giving and forgiving God who made us in his image. He also gave us the free will to make choices in our lives. God never intended us to be puppets but to come to him willingly with our whole hearts to accept eternity in the Kingdom of Heaven through Jesus Christ our Savior. So with that being said, if we want abortions to stop, then do it in a loving way. People like Save the Storks are taking the most wonderful approach to this because they are not condemning pregnant women to death by stoning. They are offering true help and offering true options to help these women make a choice that God would look favorably upon. Everybody sins it is our human nature. But it is very upsetting to me when people who say they are Christians are acting out in behavior that only the devil would condone and casting stones to others just because they don’t agree with what you say. Christians need to be better about positive education outside of the Church to help bring people to the Kingdom of Heaven instead of trying to brow beat them into it. And if people working in abortion clinics have an alternative option to help these women how wonderful would that be to save a baby instead of thinking the only option is to abort it. There are many families like mine that can’t have children naturally and would love to adopt. If we could make it easier for people like me to get in contact with pregnant women who don’t want to keep their baby maybe we could help them and give them support and options to make it through this phase in their life and have a clean conscience as well.

  • Tammi

    Ok, so I am a Christian who believes with all of my heart that God does not support abortion. My husband and I had a tubal pregnancy that was far enough along that I was bleeding pretty badly and had to have surgery to yes remove my right fallopian tube and the baby inside of it. My heart bleeds every time I think about how I lost that pregnancy and that I never got to hold my baby. Some people will probably condemn me because I had the surgery to save my life, some people will probably support me in that decision. Quite frankly I was so heart sick at the time that I was just swept along by the doctors trying to do what was best for me because at that point the baby would not survive one way or the other. There was nothing that they could do to save our child so saving me was the number one priority. I don’t believe God wanted me to die as well. But what people need to focus on is that the God that I serve is a very loving, merciful, grace giving and forgiving God who made us in his image. He also gave us the free will to make choices in our lives. God never intended us to be puppets but to come to him willingly with our whole hearts to accept eternity in the Kingdom of Heaven through Jesus Christ our Savior. So with that being said, if we want abortions to stop, then do it in a loving way. People like Save the Storks are taking the most wonderful approach to this because they are not condemning pregnant women to death by stoning. They are offering true help and offering true options to help these women make a choice that God would look favorably upon. Everybody sins it is our human nature. But it is very upsetting to me when people who say they are Christians are acting out in behavior that only the devil would condone and casting stones to others just because they don’t agree with what you say. Christians need to be better about positive education outside of the Church to help bring people to the Kingdom of Heaven instead of trying to brow beat them into it. And if people working in abortion clinics have an alternative option to help these women how wonderful would that be to save a baby instead of thinking the only option is to abort it. There are many families like mine that can’t have children naturally and would love to adopt. If we could make it easier for people like me to get in contact with pregnant women who don’t want to keep their baby maybe we could help them and give them support and options to make it through this phase in their life and have a clean conscience as well.

  • Scott M

    So, if, as some choicers here argue, ultrasounds prior to abortions are not medically necessary and should not be legislated, how do you propose to determine the age of the baby to select the appropriate abortion procedure, and how do you know whether or not the mother is suffering form a life threatening ectopic pregnancy?

    The truth is that any responsible abortion clinic already does ultrasounds. They just want to hide relevant information from the mother that might better inform her choice.

  • Scott M

    So, if, as some choicers here argue, ultrasounds prior to abortions are not medically necessary and should not be legislated, how do you propose to determine the age of the baby to select the appropriate abortion procedure, and how do you know whether or not the mother is suffering form a life threatening ectopic pregnancy?

    The truth is that any responsible abortion clinic already does ultrasounds. They just want to hide relevant information from the mother that might better inform her choice.

  • Scott M

    So, if, as some choicers here argue, ultrasounds prior to abortions are not medically necessary and should not be legislated, how do you propose to determine the age of the baby to select the appropriate abortion procedure, and how do you know whether or not the mother is suffering form a life threatening ectopic pregnancy?

    The truth is that any responsible abortion clinic already does ultrasounds. They just want to hide relevant information from the mother that might better inform her choice.

  • Scott M

    So, if, as some choicers here argue, ultrasounds prior to abortions are not medically necessary and should not be legislated, how do you propose to determine the age of the baby to select the appropriate abortion procedure, and how do you know whether or not the mother is suffering form a life threatening ectopic pregnancy?

    The truth is that any responsible abortion clinic already does ultrasounds. They just want to hide relevant information from the mother that might better inform her choice.

  • Scott M

    So, if, as some choicers here argue, ultrasounds prior to abortions are not medically necessary and should not be legislated, how do you propose to determine the age of the baby to select the appropriate abortion procedure, and how do you know whether or not the mother is suffering form a life threatening ectopic pregnancy?

    The truth is that any responsible abortion clinic already does ultrasounds. They just want to hide relevant information from the mother that might better inform her choice.

  • Scott M

    So, if, as some choicers here argue, ultrasounds prior to abortions are not medically necessary and should not be legislated, how do you propose to determine the age of the baby to select the appropriate abortion procedure, and how do you know whether or not the mother is suffering form a life threatening ectopic pregnancy?

    The truth is that any responsible abortion clinic already does ultrasounds. They just want to hide relevant information from the mother that might better inform her choice.

  • Scott M

    So, if, as some choicers here argue, ultrasounds prior to abortions are not medically necessary and should not be legislated, how do you propose to determine the age of the baby to select the appropriate abortion procedure, and how do you know whether or not the mother is suffering form a life threatening ectopic pregnancy?

    The truth is that any responsible abortion clinic already does ultrasounds. They just want to hide relevant information from the mother that might better inform her choice.

  • Scott M

    So, if, as some choicers here argue, ultrasounds prior to abortions are not medically necessary and should not be legislated, how do you propose to determine the age of the baby to select the appropriate abortion procedure, and how do you know whether or not the mother is suffering form a life threatening ectopic pregnancy?

    The truth is that any responsible abortion clinic already does ultrasounds. They just want to hide relevant information from the mother that might better inform her choice.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1258771575 Quinton Aiken

    The power of Choice, be for or against it in all things. If you choose to fight for life case of the unborn, then do not raise a weapon against the living. If you can say that you would take a life to assure your own, or others, then do not begrudge these woman the right to make the same decision. If you wish to use the mantra that God says do not kill, then note that he said Thou Shall Not Kill – Period, he did not specify or categorize who should not be killed. If you choose to place a child’s life above your own, then place all life above your own.

    • http://www.facebook.com/kannady.judy Judy Kannady

      Are you seriously equating an unborn child who happens to be a nuisance with someone who is trying to kill me? There may be good arguments for staying out of a woman’s life, but this is not it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/doron.grossmannaples Doron Grossman-Naples

    This is great, but the issue I see with this is that they’re still sitting outside clinics, trying to get women emotional enough that they choose not to have an abortion.

    • http://www.facebook.com/kannady.judy Judy Kannady

      Much better that they let her go inside, where the “counselors” will try to get her emotional enough to think her life is over if she doesn’t kill it.

  • sarahoverthemoon

    “No one is offended by our activism.”

    *raises hand*

    Me, I’m offended. Saw this group had a table at Cornerstone last summer. They were handing out flyers that said “Where do babies come from? The stork!”

    Talk about erasing women and people with uteruses from the “abortion debate.”

  • Josh Wright

    love this idea.

  • http://twitter.com/kristinrawls Kristin Rawls

    1. All marinara sauce is vegan. Marinara sauce is, by definition, a sauce made of olive oil, tomatoes, garlic, onions and assorted spices like oregano and basil. It just sounds so much cooler when you inanely remind us that it’s vegan 12 times in an article. Tomato sauce that contains meat is called bolognese sauce. Marinara dishes with meat added have names such as “marinara with meatballs/Italian sausage.” The marinara itself is always vegan.

    2. “In other words, unlike the abortion clinic, the Storks and the pregnancy centers are in it for the long haul. They are going to get her what she needs to take care of herself and her baby, body and soul.”

    Really? Are they planning to provide medical care and assistance throughout the course of the pregnancy? Ample access to counseling in the event that the child was conceived in the course of rape or other trauma? What about funds so the new mother never has to be worried about feeding, clothing or housing the infant?For the next 18 years? Oh, sorry, I guess all the new mother needs is “Jesus.” Worrying about day to day survival needs is so un-hip.

    This is the most annoying, condescending piece of pro-life propaganda I’ve ever read.

    “How Some Kids With A Van Are Changing The Pro-Life Movement: Hipster Haircuts”

  • Sarah Rieke

    This is wonderful. Thank you for your ministry.

    I carried my daughter Evie for four months knowing that she was going to die once she was born (she had several missing and underdeveloped organs). It was an incredibly difficult time, but I have no regrets. She was with us for four wonderful hours before going home to Jesus. Evie has given me a unique perspective on being pro-life and I hope one day to have the opportunity to advocate for babies like her.

    You can read more about Evie’s story here: http://www.lifeandgrace.com

  • THaralson

    The author asks how they will handle the added demand for resources and answers “simply”: us. Yeah, not so much. I have not seen anyone from Live Action, National Right to Life or any other pro-life org offering to provide free child care for all the kids that have lost their Head Start slots due to the sequester. These groups make a lot of noise to encourage lawmakers to restrict access to abortion, but not a peep to increase funding for WIC, food stamps, or Medicaid funding for pregnant women and children. Where are these groups when it comes time to speak up to increase funding to foster/adoptive parents? You are absolutely silent in protecting TANF benefits (welfare) to families with children. And before you say that this should be a religious, not a government duty, show me the religious org that has the budget to fill the need. You want all these babies to be born, you need to STEP UP!! If you don’t, there’s no other word for it than hypocricy.

  • THaralson

    The author asks how they will handle the added demand for resources and answers “simply”: us. Yeah, not so much. I have not seen anyone from Live Action, National Right to Life or any other pro-life org offering to provide free child care for all the kids that have lost their Head Start slots due to the sequester. These groups make a lot of noise to encourage lawmakers to restrict access to abortion, but not a peep to increase funding for WIC, food stamps, or Medicaid funding for pregnant women and children. Where are these groups when it comes time to speak up to increase funding to foster/adoptive parents? You are absolutely silent in protecting TANF benefits (welfare) to families with children. And before you say that this should be a religious, not a government duty, show me the religious org that has the budget to fill the need. You want all these babies to be born, you need to STEP UP!! If you don’t, there’s no other word for it than hypocricy.

  • mrudge

    “It is an abortion clinics worst nightmare” is a VERY bad assumption!!

  • Sarah P

    FYI incase it is not already known: ultrasounds performed at abortion clinics are extremely low level and only produce a picture barely showing more than a blurred blob which is extremely unfair. Ultrasounds in hospitals and reputable clinics etc show a very detailed image of a baby. abortion clinics are afraid to use quality equipment because they know if they show women real actual images of their baby, they will change their minds about aborting their baby. I believe the ultrasound units they are using are intentionally blurring the images because even older ultrasound units show a much better image than what I have seen given to women from abortion clinics. Cost of an ultrasound machine is not an issue for producing quality images of a baby. I’m 50 years old and was a radiographer for 20 years…so I do know what I am talking about…praying the barbaric practice of abortions ends soon!!! So much for modern technology! We kill our own species!!! Shows how ignorant we really are!!! :(((

  • theodora

    So wonderful! Thank you for doing this much needed and terrific work! Bless all of you and the mothers-to-be!

  • Sunshine

    This is a beautiful way to show love to those who find themselves pregnant and have no support. Thank you so much for what you are doing!

  • LetThemLive

    This is fantastic! What a great idea. Thank you for going to the front lines to rescue the orphans and widows.

  • LetThemLive

    This is fantastic! What a great idea. Thank you for going to the front lines to rescue the orphans and widows.

  • LetThemLive

    This is fantastic! What a great idea. Thank you for going to the front lines to rescue the orphans and widows.

  • Keairan

    I am neither pro-choice or pro-life. I am pro-child. There is nothing worse than being unwanted in this world, and many children are in fact unwanted. Adoptions are rare, especially in these tough economic times. Foster homes rarely are positive places. Orphanages are soul-crushing. I do not support anything that would help any child to come into this world unwanted. It’s why I support Roe vs. Wade. I also happen to have history on my side in terms of why it is a bad idea to lessen or remove abortions. Look up the romanian abortion ban. http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jan/15/abortion-romanian-history http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decree_770 .

    Really, if you want to decrease the number of abortions, stop teaching abstinence in schools. Start teaching contraceptive methods that work after the instinctive drive to breed consumes conscious control.

  • Keairan

    I am neither pro-choice or pro-life. I am pro-child. There is nothing worse than being unwanted in this world, and many children are in fact unwanted. Adoptions are rare, especially in these tough economic times. Foster homes rarely are positive places. Orphanages are soul-crushing. I do not support anything that would help any child to come into this world unwanted. It’s why I support Roe vs. Wade. I also happen to have history on my side in terms of why it is a bad idea to lessen or remove abortions. Look up the romanian abortion ban. http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jan/15/abortion-romanian-history http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decree_770 .

    Really, if you want to decrease the number of abortions, stop teaching abstinence in schools. Start teaching contraceptive methods that work after the instinctive drive to breed consumes conscious control.

  • Keairan

    I am neither pro-choice or pro-life. I am pro-child. There is nothing worse than being unwanted in this world, and many children are in fact unwanted. Adoptions are rare, especially in these tough economic times. Foster homes rarely are positive places. Orphanages are soul-crushing. I do not support anything that would help any child to come into this world unwanted. It’s why I support Roe vs. Wade. I also happen to have history on my side in terms of why it is a bad idea to lessen or remove abortions. Look up the romanian abortion ban. http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jan/15/abortion-romanian-history http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decree_770 .

    Really, if you want to decrease the number of abortions, stop teaching abstinence in schools. Start teaching contraceptive methods that work after the instinctive drive to breed consumes conscious control.

  • Keairan

    I am neither pro-choice or pro-life. I am pro-child. There is nothing worse than being unwanted in this world, and many children are in fact unwanted. Adoptions are rare, especially in these tough economic times. Foster homes rarely are positive places. Orphanages are soul-crushing. I do not support anything that would help any child to come into this world unwanted. It’s why I support Roe vs. Wade. I also happen to have history on my side in terms of why it is a bad idea to lessen or remove abortions. Look up the romanian abortion ban. http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jan/15/abortion-romanian-history http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decree_770 .

    Really, if you want to decrease the number of abortions, stop teaching abstinence in schools. Start teaching contraceptive methods that work after the instinctive drive to breed consumes conscious control.

  • Keairan

    I am neither pro-choice or pro-life. I am pro-child. There is nothing worse than being unwanted in this world, and many children are in fact unwanted. Adoptions are rare, especially in these tough economic times. Foster homes rarely are positive places. Orphanages are soul-crushing. I do not support anything that would help any child to come into this world unwanted. It’s why I support Roe vs. Wade. I also happen to have history on my side in terms of why it is a bad idea to lessen or remove abortions. Look up the romanian abortion ban. http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jan/15/abortion-romanian-history http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decree_770 .

    Really, if you want to decrease the number of abortions, stop teaching abstinence in schools. Start teaching contraceptive methods that work after the instinctive drive to breed consumes conscious control.

    • Sarah Pierson

      you need to be proabstinence then! the only 100% effective birth control! R v W is a horror story. You think you sound so wise to be pro-child but infact murder is still murder.

    • http://www.facebook.com/kannady.judy Judy Kannady

      Really? Wonder what statistics there are on unplanned pregnancies and/or abortions among women who have had abstinence education, vs. traditional sex education, vs. no sex education. I’m sure they don’t all come from one group, but unless we have those statistics, we’re all just guessing.

      Adoptions are not rare in my family. If they’re rare in your family, perhaps you should consider adoption. We’ve found it to be a great source of joy, for both parents and children.

      Several have complained that assumptions are made about “all” abortion providers, but you’ve just made several negative assumptions about the fate of children who are in foster homes and “orphanages”.

      One final point: Not all children without parents (in “orphanages” and foster homes) were unwanted. And in America, babies placed for adoption rarely land in “orphanages” and foster homes.

  • joshua
  • http://www.facebook.com/simon.macfarlane Simon MacFarlane

    Great article – thanks!
    little note: you need to change the link in this article to not inclue the “www” – otherwise the link won’t work. It should just be linked to “savethestorks.com” (until they fix this on their page)

  • http://www.facebook.com/simon.macfarlane Simon MacFarlane

    Great article – thanks!
    little note: you need to change the link in this article to not inclue the “www” – otherwise the link won’t work. It should just be linked to “savethestorks.com” (until they fix this on their page)

  • Z-Man

    So I’m wondering if any of these organizations are going to be around to help actually raise the kid for the next 18+ years or if their “help” ends with the woman saying “no” and providing the address for the local welfare office.

    • http://www.bywombats.com Ryan Szrama

      Yes, they are. You might also wonder about the inverse – who is caring for the lifelong physical, emotional, and spiritual needs of mothers who pursue abortions? Or does their “help” end with the snip of a spine?

    • http://www.bywombats.com Ryan Szrama

      Yes, they are. You might also wonder about the inverse – who is caring for the lifelong physical, emotional, and spiritual needs of mothers who pursue abortions? Or does their “help” end with the snip of a spine?

      • Sarah

        Amen! :*(

    • Sarah

      There is a line of people waiting to adopt.

    • Sarah

      There is a line of people waiting to adopt.

  • Marj

    Has this been sent to Glenn Beck?

  • http://twitter.com/HMVerhagen Heather Verhagen

    I’m with Carol on this. Allowing a woman to have a free service that will inable her to make a better informed decision is brilliant. SO many regret having abortions after doing so. I believe that the mental well being of women is effected negatively due to the guilt that is felt. (Guilt should be felt, but they need to be presented with the idea of forgiveness.)

    Personally, I find myself praying every time that I pay my taxes. I don’t want to fund abortion…have the blood of children on my hands. I feel the president cares more about his ajenda than he does about the views of his people, even though many of their consciences are being /will be severely violated.

    Food for thought:
    Abortion: $300, Adoption: $30,000.

    Day 20-21 ‘fetus’ has a heartbeat. What is a primary way a doctor or emt decides if someone is dead: He/she checks for a heartbeat.

  • http://www.facebook.com/donna.carnleykasper Donna K Carnley Kasper

    I’m PRO CHILD, A FOLLOWER OF CHRIST AND KNOW THIS IS WORTH EVERYTHING IT TAKES TO SAVE THE MOMS AND THEIR BABIES…WHY IT MAY EVEN SAVE SOME DADDIES TOO.

    WE NEED THIS IN NASHVILLE…SOMEONE HELP US GET ONE!

  • rawrcakes

    I’m semi-pro-life atheist. I feel like abortions should only be done if necessary, such as the carrier is at risk or the child is severely deformed and will never be able to have a happy life. I’ve heard about people complaining that a girl who was raped would have to suffer every day if she get’s pregnant, but this is not the only option! She can always adopt the baby out and then it’s done, there will be nothing to remember her of the events after that so long as her family is courteous enough not to bring it up.

    As for incest and everything else, it was their mistake, and they need to suffer the consequences.

  • rawrcakes

    I’m semi-pro-life atheist. I feel like abortions should only be done if necessary, such as the carrier is at risk or the child is severely deformed and will never be able to have a happy life. I’ve heard about people complaining that a girl who was raped would have to suffer every day if she get’s pregnant, but this is not the only option! She can always adopt the baby out and then it’s done, there will be nothing to remember her of the events after that so long as her family is courteous enough not to bring it up.

    As for incest and everything else, it was their mistake, and they need to suffer the consequences.

    • BDHA

      I certainly don’t think abortions should be used as a form of birth control, but how can you say that incest is a person’s problem, and they need to suffer the consequences? There are incestuous relationships that began as forceful/coercion. Should both people, including the one without a choice, be punished? Also, why would I want to put my body through nine months of pregnancy (which can be pretty tough and cause health issues–just like abortion) when it wasn’t my choice to have sex? I realize there are people out there wanting to adopt, but, depending on the woman and her mental state, you would be condemning her to a nine month sentence. And I say this as a woman who was raped and ended up pregnant as a result. I miscarried (thankfully in my mind), but I can’t fathom how someone could have the nerve to tell me to essentially suck it up and not be selfish during the most horrible moment of my life. Caring for my personal mental and emotional health is NOT selfish or callous, nor would it have made me a murderer.

      • SarahP

        This should not suffer the sins of the either sinning parent. This is Biblical but even if you don’t believe in the Bible it is common sense. It is not the child’s fault how it is created and should not suffer. Abortion is never an option unless it is to save the life of one is extreme cases where one or both could die and honestly how often does that ever really happen? I don’t know the recent stats but I will ask an OB/GYN Doctor that I work for and see if we can find it. It is extremely low and next to none if any at all. Thanks! God Bless!

      • SarahP

        the person committing the crime should be punished. I understand the victim suffers. but why should the child be punished. I think if the victim does not want the baby she should give up for adoption. That is all. Either by abortion or giving birth vaginally or by C-section. Her body is forever changed. She has to decide in her heart and head what the best decision should be made. I just feel abortion should not be a consideration at all. It is barbaric to kill a child in anyway and even in the womb. Too bad they can’t take the baby out of womb and place it into a womb of a mother that can’t conceive and let her carry it and make it hers. That would be cool! Peace!!!

    • SarahP

      have you not seen how many mistakes are made by doctors saying “they think” your baby has this or that only to be born fine?! And the ones that are born and live for a day, a month, a year etc are a blessing no matter what they have!!!

  • Teresa Vallieres

    I think this is wonderful because the woman still has a choice….. She can check out what they have. She is still free to make her coice after the encounter. Pro choice should have positive attitude because the choice is still the womans!

  • Leah Wu

    I love this idea! I hope it spreads far and wide. I would love to help… but I live in California. I signed up for the savethestork newsletters, so hopefully they’ll keep us updated as this great resource spreads across the country. I’m totally buying t-shirts!

  • Leah Wu

    I love this idea! I hope it spreads far and wide. I would love to help… but I live in California. I signed up for the savethestork newsletters, so hopefully they’ll keep us updated as this great resource spreads across the country. I’m totally buying t-shirts!

  • Leah Wu

    I love this idea! I hope it spreads far and wide. I would love to help… but I live in California. I signed up for the savethestork newsletters, so hopefully they’ll keep us updated as this great resource spreads across the country. I’m totally buying t-shirts!

  • cdl123

    Finally, a positive approach.

  • cdl123

    Finally, a positive approach.

  • http://www.facebook.com/WarriorJoeBaker Joe Baker

    We are working hard on a couple different Bus projects right now! Please consider partnering with Save The Storks here: http://www.SaveTheStorks.com

  • Walt

    If this organization also provided education on options for contraception, I’d be all for it.

    To the supporters of ultrasound laws – should a judge be obliged to watch a video of an execution before rendering a death sentence? Should the Apple store show customers videos of the factory workers polishing screens with organic solvents for 12 hours a day before before they buy iPods?

  • http://www.facebook.com/izabela.Dav.1 Izabela Dav

    yay :)

  • Brian

    You Christians stand outside of abortion clinics with your picket fences and you fill the internet with judgement. I wonder what Christ would say if he saw you “fighting for his cause.” Think of the adulteress woman who by law was suppose to be stoned. Christ said whoever is without sin cast the first stone. Well go for it! Convince the mothers they’re murderers. Convict them of their guilt! I’m so disappointed that in a rare article that shows a grassroots movement of love, you still argue about the “legalization” of an issue. LIKE IT MATTERS! Who cares if it’s legal or illegal?!?! If you say it’s not what God stands for, then go out and educate those that are struggling with that decision. Provide support or help. Do something besides sit on here and tell the world the way it should be.

    • http://www.facebook.com/kannady.judy Judy Kannady

      Ummm I think that’s what “Save the Storks” is trying to do. And you’re being a bit judgmental. How do you know we don’t provide support and help? Do you?

    • NukeDoc

      Brian is an odd name for a woman to have…

  • Anne

    Recently I was discussing just this with a relative. I have talked to several people regarding having something like this. I was told it would never happen. I feel great joy with what ‘Save the Storks’ are doing. I feel that women are coming to abortion clinics because they don’t know what else they can do.

  • BillMonroeisboss

    Actually, Mr. Pomerantz looks EXACTLY like a Christian ( i don’t know how the young emo Jesus folk look like down in DFW but in Mpls–yep) Anyways, greek nor jew we’re all one in Christ–and I am thankful for you guys stepping up in love and truth and reaching out to the seared consciences of those who don’t see this as murder. God Bless!

  • Cindy Bear

    I am Christian and pro-life and I think this is wonderful. It’s about time someone did what Jesus told us to do – lend a hand instead of a judgment.

  • Brooke

    I find in heated conversations like these NO matter what you say someone is going to be offended…. chew on this, EVERYONE that is “PRO” choice has already been born…. As a mother of two, and knowing the struggles of pregnancy, childbearing & rearing… it is NO one’s right to murder a baby …. a person….. I feel sorry for men often as they don’t have a choice if they wanted their child to be born…. I mean, truly, please think about this instead of going off on whichever side you’re on….. Woman should be allowed to see their baby on an ultrasound…. I think murdering a person would go down significantly… there is something miraculous about seeing your baby & their heartbeat. So glad my dad is alive and the abortion his mother tried to have didn’t work as he was the result of an affair…. funny thing is, he ended up being her favorite child. I wish this was nothing to debate or argue about….. its considered manslaughter if a woman dies and her “fetus” but not if she chooses? Our Society is truly messed up in many ways.

    • Sally

      The “Pro-Life” father of my child wanted me to have an abortion, though he wouldn’t say the word “because he was Pro-Life”. I on the other hand, had my child because I am Pro-Choice and that was my choice. I made the choice that was right for me, I can’t presume to decide what is right for another woman.

  • swimkin

    I am pro-life and Christian and have an adopted daughter who was adopted from a teen mother. My daughter means the world to me and I would not have had the chance to have her if her mother had opted for abortion. Even if they decide to not abort and not keep their baby there are loving couples whose lives will be enriched by the adoption of these babies.

    • swimkin

      Oh and btw my daughter is also pro-life. How could she not be?

  • Lucy Grow

    Love it!!! We are here to love and serve one another, and this sets the bar high. Thank you and may God bless

  • Cherish

    I am pro life, but made the choice to abort at 17 years old. I wish there would have been a Save a Stork van in the parking lot when I was 17, a runaway and being abused. That decision has broken my heart for years. 10+ years later, God has rescued, redeemed and restored me and blessed me with 3 storks and hopefully adopting another 2 in the future =) This is so important what you are doing! God always creates life with a purpose and destiny BUT when people put up picket signs of hate instead of loving people through their storms, they might miss the rainbow after the storm instead of being a vehicle of light to help reveal that rainbow sooner <3 Bless you guys for what you are doing! Save a Stork is now on my daily prayer list =)

  • SandyinCali.

    I cried when I read this story….I was just telling my daughter two days ago that if someone could set up a ultrasound room across from an abortion clinic and mothers could see their child… I’m sure it would change their minds….then we read this story today!! Thank you so much!!!! We are going on your site right now to see how we can support you!

  • beth

    Is it just me, or does the author seem fairly pre-occupied with mentioning he’s vegan?

  • lucaspinduca

    Hey! I’m preacher in Brazil. I want this t-shirt. How do? :]

  • JLWright

    Well done “MY” good and faithful servant!

  • Tony &Teresa Nestico

    I would love to have this in Canada, I am really impressed with the van and the help that the women get, finally a smart pro life movement. Awesome job and God bless you.

  • Sally

    But does Save the Stork help for the woman and child after the child is born, or is she just strongly “encouraged” to give the child up for adoption? Pro-Life implicates there is real concern for the child after it is born, but often falls short of that.

  • Paul Muriello

    Confirmatory ultrasounds don’t facilitate informed medical decision making. A pregnant woman knows (or at least suspects) there’s a fucking fetus inside her, that’s why she’s going to the clinic in the first place. If STS were actually interested in informing mothers they would look for signs of fetal abnormalities, as well as discuss the risks and benefits of pregnancy and abortion.

    Also, just because STS isn’t beating women over the head with their agenda doesn’t mean they don’t have one; clearly they are banking on women experiencing guilt enough to turn them away from abortion upon seeing the fetus. This article is garbage.

  • ilovecookies

    What a brilliant young man. I am sure all the children whose lives have been saved will thank him. Well done Dave and keep up the good work.

  • brisonc3

    Paul Muriello said

    “They don’t talk with her about all the negative outcomes of unwanted
    pregnancy for both her and her child. They don’t talk about the medical
    risks of pregnancy. They don’t talk about the financial burdens, or the
    restrictions she might face as an ostensibly single mother. These are
    the kinds of things that are necessary for true informed consent, but
    these are the things conspicuously absent from STS’ game”

    that is because human lives aren’t about “being affordable”. If this
    is true then we should terminate the homeless since society can’t
    afford them and they are a burden and obviously suffering and would be
    much better off with their suffering ended. This can be achieved by
    having a court declare the homeless no longer having legal personhood
    and therefore no legal significance as “persons” legally just as fetuses
    are denied their humanity simply because they are not legal persons,
    but still are living members of the human species. So the logic is
    sound. This is the logic of the pro-choicer.

    No woman has to be a single mother since she has the ability to give
    that child away just after birth so a childless couple can have the full
    parenting experience from the very beginning. So that excuse is taken
    away also.

    No one ever said there would be no consequences or difficulties in
    allowing a child to live, but then again the girl herself and the guy
    she was with made that so-called “unwanted” child, but there is no
    difference biologically between a “wanted or planned” child and an
    “unwanted” one and the Constitution demands all humans be treated
    equally under the 14th Amendment. The Constitution makes no distinction
    between “wanted” and “unwanted” children. The law only sees children.

    A little inconvenience is the natural outcome of bad choices. It
    isn’t going to be and should not be free of any burdens. Suffering
    burdens is what happens when you make a grave error. There are outcomes
    that are not comfortable that you still have to endure and face. That
    is just life. So are you saying woman have a right to be exempt from
    life and it’s lessons which sometimes are painful?

    What strange logic from the pro-choicer.

    I could make the same argument about a man who “makes the agonizing
    choice” to have forced intercourse with a woman, seeing her not as a
    person, but as a “thing”, like a fetus which is the side effect of his
    choice. His decision to do what he has done is a “choice” and “just a
    choice” like many other choices men make in life. It is neither right
    nor wrong, bad or good, moral or immoral since such distinctions are to
    be made by the chooser and his God, not dictated by government, law or
    religion.

    You can’t punish him for his choices because that is forcing one’s
    morality on him who may not see anything wrong and have no regrets for
    what he did just as you say woman don’t regret killing their children.
    In fact he may end the whole encounter by killing his victim to spare
    her having to live with the aftermath. This is an act of kindness and
    mercy just as pro-choicers claim the termination of an “unwanted” fetus
    is merciful since no child should have to grow up with a parent who
    hates them. This is the logic and thinking of the pro-choicer.

    “but women are persons” you would say. No, that is a decision of
    the one making the choices and having the power to make choices
    according to his conscience and in consultation with his concept of his
    God or higher power. It is a very personal and private decision not to
    be interfered with by government, or religious fanatics.

    Puberty has alot of pain and discomfort to it. Should teenagers have
    the right to have hormone therapy to suppress and shut down puberty
    since some teens actually try and commit suicide from the side effects
    of puberty? Some even succeed in suicide. Since puberty therefore can
    kill teens should they then have a choice as to whether or not they
    have to endure it?

    This is the logic of the pro-choicer.

    Lastly, this act of the man against his victim may be an issue
    pertaining to his personal health as he has discussed with his doctor or
    psychiatrist. Engaging in these acts brings clarity to his mind on
    certain things, things or I may never understand, but then again, this
    is personal and private. What his condition is is private and medical
    in nature and therefore protected by privacy as is the choices this man
    makes in consultation with his God and his doctor(therapist).

    This is about his health and his health alone, which the Courts have
    ruled has an almost religious protection around it, free from government
    influence and cohersion. It is his choice alone and no one has the
    right to judge him.