Pro-Life Debate #2: “Don’t like Abortion? Don’t have one.”
By , Published January 22nd, 2012

This is more than likely going to be shouted at you by a pro-abortion activists at some point, so I feel it’s good to have an answer to this that can stop them in their tracks. My favorite response is this:

“What if Abraham Lincoln had told the North – ‘Don’t like Slavery? Don’t own slaves.’?”

Slavery was the defining issue of the day during that time period, and there were many citizens in America who truly believed that an African American was not a person, but a belonging, a piece of property to be disposed of as their owners saw fit. The Supreme Court of the United States had even ruled in the Dred Scott case that they were property and not citizens. The Supreme Court chose to uphold slavery, and claimed Constitutional authority in their decision.

Do you see the parallels? Many pro-abortion activists do not, but it is worth it to at least ATTEMPT to enlighten them to this idea. But this debate is not just for the pro-abortion activists, it’s for each of you too. As pro-abortion activists all around the country celebrate a court case that has directly led to the loss of over 64 MILLION innocent lives over the past 39 years, you and I have a mission: to end the slaughter of our generation.

Do not be discouraged, do not give up. Whatever it is you can do, DO IT. Much like the Dred Scott ruling was overturned by the refusal of brave men and women in our country to merely turn a blind eye to the injustice going on all around them- the unconstitutional Roe v Wade can be overturned one day as well. But we must not give up on this fight. We must follow the example of Lincoln, and continue to fight for the rights of our fellow man.

“Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.”
Abraham Lincoln, in The Gettysburg Address

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  • Ninek

    Want the government out of your reproductive “choices?”  Then stop asking for and taking my tax money.

    • NC

      Yeah, some of our tax money is going TO abortion clinics such as Planned Parenthood… Government funding. I don’t see the choice for those who DON’T want their tax money going to a “Cause” they do not agree with… How is that freedom!? Hmmm…

      • Anonymous

        Well parents who put their kids in private school still have to pay for public education, just as people who don’t need food stamps or welfare help pay for that. Just as people who don’t agree with war help fund it. I could go on and on. 

        • Ninek

          Food stamps and schools don’t kill living human beings.  Abortion is bullying of the helpless.  And we can protest war.  Children killed by abortion don’t get a chance to protest.  Abortion is murder.  Pick on someone your own size, bulliers of babies. 

          • Anonymous

            No, but we can also protest abortion all we want…so I don’t see how your rebuttal to the war one makes any sense. 

          • JB

            Well there are a lot of things that tax dollars go to that you may not agree with and that’s something you may have to deal with but you have to draw the line somewhere. 

            When an innocent child is being aborted and a person’s tax dollars are being used it’s not just another political dispute that is a moral issue.  People who know that child is a human can’t just agree to disagree and let thier money support something that is morally wrong.  It’s like having you’re tax dollars support a group that commits torture or child-abuse.

            Sure, you could also say war is morally wrong and if there were a bill to ban tax dollars from going into wars people don’t believe in I’m sure people would get behind it.  However, pro-lifers are preoccupied with abortion and that’s where there focus tends to be but that is an issue that war protestors could bring up.

  • http://www.insignificantthoughts.com Vinny

    All you have to do to defeat this idiotic argument is turn it on any crime that could be committed.

    Don’t like speeding?  Don’t speed.
    Don’t like murders?  Don’t murder.
    Don’t like abusing children?  Don’t abuse children.

    Of course the pro-abortion friend will immediately tell you “it’s not the same thing,” to which you can reply, “Actually, it’s exactly the same thing.  If the answer to “if you don’t like crime X” is then don’t commit crime X” then there are a lot of things out there you can just not do and that’s that.”

    It’s a weak argument grounded in some false sense of liberty to destroy an unborn child and it’s wrong and anyone who makes that argument is probably not worthy of discussing the issue with to begin with because they’re not trying to be logical, they’re trying to win an argument.

    • american freedom

      it’s stupid because it’s out of context and crime is not abortion.

      it’s just a like jew, a born jew is not some unwanted fetus inside a woman’s body and her will and legal rights to abort.

  • Krista

    I’ve never understood how pro-life people can compare abortion to slavery.

    Slavery causes emotional and physical suffering, long term. It treats sentient humans as objects who can be bought and sold. It is a violation of the wellbeing of a PERSON

    A fetus is not a person. A human, yes, but a person must have certain mental capacities (thought and emotion) to be warrant empathy. Empathy is being able to feel the way another person feels. If a thing does not experience suffering, you cannot feel empathy for it. You can project feelings onto it, but not truly identify.

    • Dolce

      so is this your opinion of a newborn baby? How about a baby who was born severely premature, like I was? Are they incapable of suffering? Do they not deserve your empathy?

      And btw, the idea that fetuses cannot experience suffering and pain is highly contested and pretty much debunked up to an early point in pregnancy. Fetuses learn while their in the womb as well, so they are NOT mindless like you seem to want to imply.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=681473501 Clarissa Masnaghetti

      I’m really not entirely sure what empathy has to do with anything in this debate, but if those who are incapable of emotion or higher mental function are undeserving of our empathy that leaves a number of those in our special needs community outside of the reach of human compassion.

    • NC

      “Slavery causes emotional and physical suffering, long term. It treats
      sentient humans as objects who can be bought and sold. It is a violation
      of the wellbeing of a PERSON”

      Last time I checked, many women who have abortions experience physical and emotional long term suffering…Is this not a violation of the well being of a person as well? I’m pretty sure a person and a human is essentially the same thing. We don’t call other animals “people” only the homo sapiens sapiens are “people.”

      I also do not see how empathy plays into your response as well. There are plenty of people in this world who ado not warrant ANY emotions… Does this make them less human than an unborn fetus who has yet to have a chance in the world?

      Just food for thought.

    • Laura

      “A fetus is not a person. A human, yes, but a person blah blah blah” You wonder why we compare abortion to slavery? you’ve given us a great example: slave owners also used the illogical argument that slaves were human but not people, which is a crafty way of saying you get to decide which lives are valuable and which aren’t based on a nonexistent division. 

      • lisa

         this is like saying a dog or a cow or a horse pregnant with its OFFSPRING isnt pregnant with a puppy or a calf, or a filly or colt(all terms for baby animals of their mothers) IN 2ND Grade we are taught we can only PRODUCE OFFSPRING OF OUR OWN Genetic make up and our own species….A fetus is the term used in latin for BABY OR LITTLE ONE….and for your information, a FETUS can feel PAIN as early detected by the 11th -14th week(when 87% of abortions are performed) they have brain functioning, can taste the amniotic fluid, and can sense pain, and even pull away from the tools used in abortion, or even simple scope procedures as well as ultrasound vaginal probes…go to web md and type in fetal pain- and go from there…

    • Finton_wade

      We compare abortion to slavery because a slave was considered as a non person, Jew were considered non person by the Nazis!  You just said it in your post;A fetus is not a person! But did you know that the word fetus is only used in medicine? The feminists and pro-abortion people used that word just to dishuminize the baby in the womb ! Just the word fetus make everyone feel it’s an alien! The baby in the womb is the same baby outside the womb. The proof is that when a pre-mature baby is born,( a fetus for you) the doctors do all they can to save him!

    • Anonymous

      If fetuses don’t feel anything, then why, when you watch an abortion on ultrasound, do you see the fetus’ mouth open wide, like they’re screaming? Why do the bodies of disemboweled fetuses all have a scrunched-up face, like they’ve been crying? If they can’t feel, why do they react to the touch of the abortion tools?

      If fetuses can’t think, then why are babies born crying in the tones of their native tongues? Why are there ultrasound videos of multiple births interacting in the womb? Why do newborns react to the voices of their mothers, calming when hearing their mothers’ voices?

      What age, would you say, would a person have to be before having the “mental capacity to warrant empathy”? Nothing magical happens at birth, other than the baby coming out of the birth canal and into the world. They don’t just gain any mental capacity by being born. In fact, a person’s brain is not fully formed until they reach their early 20s, which is why, in the United States, it’s illegal to drink alcohol until you reach the age of 21 – it can hamper the brain’s development.

    • María Inés Benítez Formoso

      So, according to your statement, a patient under a temporary coma is not a person because that patient does not experience suffering, emotions or thoughts. Somehow, a person magically transforms into… a non-person, and again into a person after the patient awakes from the coma.

      Impressive.

    • http://www.facebook.com/alexander.winkleman Alexander Winkey Winkleman

      Let’s say i’m a construction worker and i want to blow up a building (that belongs to me) and i think that there might be a person inside.  There is a possibility. I don’t know.  But there may be someone in that house.  Is it okay to just blow it up?  Who would do this? I’m pretty sure you wouldn’t do this.  That’s the best argument i’ve heard.  You have to be pretty sure that it’s not human to risk killing it.  That’s a gamble i am just not willing to take with my conscience.

      Also, i’d just like to ask: which is worse: torture or murder?  There is a real worldview difference there that affects a lot of the discussion.  We have one side that says it’s all about how much pleasure or pain someone feels and it’s merciful to kill them if they would just suffer.  However, if life is sacred and we are made in God’s image, destroying any human being is the absolute last thing you would ever want to do.  Where are you on this scale? 

      Also, i’d just like to say that i respect the fact that you went on a pro life website to actually talk about this.  You didn’t use cuss words and i only see one word in all caps.  Thank you.

    • lisa

      it is simply for analogy, but here is one better for an arguement –abortion is no different than the holocaust of jews, or slaughter of african americans by hangings because of race or belief is simply wrong to kill another human being, just as killing millions of unborn babies on the pretense of economic preservation, or for “choice” to keep a job(which society has pushed women to think they can not have a good career if they are single mothers)abortion is all about eugenics-”weeding out the weak, poor or disabled”which was what the founder of planned parenthood-margaret sanger- ‘s agenda was and is still about…think about this–99% of babies with down’s syndrome are ABORTED..because in the society we are living in, it is unacceptable to have a child with a disability, because people may look at them differently, because they may require more assistance…well I was a baby diagnosed with spina bifida when my mother was pregnant- in 1979(after roe vs wade, when it was legal to abort me) and my mother chose LIFE..for me, and my case is not even severe, and I have contributed to society as a licensed CNA as well as going to college this fall for medical assisting, and I HAVE TWO Children…By aborting over a THIRD of our population since 1973- we have no further generation to work to assist US as we become elderly and will need social security- who do you think pays for social security for the elderly now? OUR Generation…what if you and I had been aborted along with all the other children just from 1973-1980-?..THAT number itself would have broken this economy…Abortion should never be used as birth control…only in cases of ectopic pregnancy or other conditions that directly show the baby will not survive or will cause direct death to the mother,and even in some cases, the baby can be kept in the womb to 24-34 weeks and delivered safely alive, to ensure safety to mother…and if someone has a baby Unplanned- adoption is the true option…

    • summerlovin’1

      Many handicapped people are also incapable of feeling empathy. Babies certainly can’t, so should we kill them to?

      There’s no doctor or scientist in the world who think “feelings” mean humanity. But this is typical proabortion BS….not surprised.

  • Sam

    I saw this argument on a friend’s FB profile and didn’t know what to say..”Nobody likes abortion. Nobody wants to have one, nobody wants anyone else to need one. And nobody has the right to make that decision for anyone but themselves. So long as pregnancy occurs within the body of a human being, she has the absolute right to stop the process.”

    Obviously there’s the murder argument, but if they don’t see the baby as a human, how do you respond?

    • Finton_wade

      I have been involve in discussion with that type of person saying it is not a baby. I tasked them; when did your own life began? Only when ou took the first breath? If they are honest with themselves they will say my life began at  conception. But if they are blinded by Satan’s lies, there is absolutely no use discusting with them! Sadly they are lost forever! I have a fearful pity for them, for I know how they will suffer before leaving this old Earth!

      • Anonymous

        And just how do you know they are lost forever?

        • Finton_wade

          Well, if they can realise that they did wrong ans ask for forgiveness then they are saved. I heard many women saying that once they have told family and friends they have regrets, they can receive real forgiveness from God and from the soul of the unborn child. I don’t know if they are lost forever, you are right. But I read in the Bible that if you don’t repent you are lost forever! But if you don’t beleive in God I cannot convince you of that reality. Only God Himself can do that.

          • Anonymous

            I never once stated that I did or did not believe in God, that was not my point. My point was that if you do believe in God, then you have to accept that anyone can be saved through Jesus, according to the Bible. 

          • Barb

            Everyone can be saved through Jesus but He calls us to repentance and decries the hardness of hearts.  In the prayer He taught us, we pray that God’s Will be done on earth as it is in Heaven.  God’s Will includes the admonition that we protect innocent human life (from Genesis 4 on) – and yes other admonitions (like care for the poor, etc).  Those of us who are unwilling to conform to God’s Will on earth, will not spend eternity with God. 

    • Anonymous
    • http://www.facebook.com/DeannaMarieCandler Deanna Marie Candler

      Sam, I am working on a scientific article regarding human life as well. This one is a little more complicated than most arguments, and I am seeking help from my husband who studied Biology in college. I hope it will help you when it is published!

    • Steve

      Sam, I hope this article can help you out:
      http://www.abort73.com/abortion/medical_testimony/

    • María Inés Benítez Formoso

      First and foremost: we can say the very same about robbery and rape. “Nobody likes rape. Nobody wants to be raped, nobody wants anyone else to be raped – BUT! since rape occurs anyway, we should at least regulate it by law so it is safe and rare. Let us make sure that STD tests are performed to rapists so they do not transmit them to their victims, that they have an adecuate license to rape, and that it is only legal to rape women of a certain age (18 years or older, for instance).”

      Second: if the do not see the baby as a human being, they are either ignorant or dishonest – or a little of both. Science has long ago proven unborn children to be individuals of the human species, and it is a matter of common sense anyway: two individuals of the same species can only originate an individual of that species, and babies do not magically transform into humans at 12-weeks-or-so. I strongly recommend Langman’s Medical Embryology: it is a wonderful text, clear enough for anyone willing to discuss the development of human beings from the very beginning of conception. The problem is: most abortion advocates love to speak about embryos and fetuses, but they are not quite willing to read actual scientifical and medical evidence to have the least idea of what they are talking about.

      If it is of any help for you, you can always remind your friend about a couple of concepts:

      1.- Perform a chromosone-banding technique with Giemsa stain, and you will obtain the very same banding pattern in a zygote, a blastocyst, an embryo, a fetus, a 2-year-old child and basically any other human being: the pattern of the human species. You will find just the same number of chromosomes, classified in the same 7 groups according to their size and the position of the centromere – again, the pattern of the human species. The unborn child is a human being from the very beginning of conception, and that is an undeniable, well-proven scientifical fact.

      2.- “No one has the right to make a decision for anyone but themselves” – congratulations! Your friend has just made another of our points: it is not legitimate to make a decision on someone else’s body; and the embryo, ladies and gentleman, has a body of his/her own. Its genetic identity is completely different from that of the mother, the father, and any other human being in the whole world. On what grounds is anyone allowed to make the decision of dismembering the body of another human being?

      Willful ignorance can be truly boring during this kind of debates. I understand your frustration, but it is not your fault.

  • JB

         The irony is that a lot of pro-choice people that make that argument are also vegetarians/animal rights supporters and I’m sure they wouldn’t be happy if someone said to them, “if you don’t like that animals are used for food then don’t eat meat”  Seems to be the same argument but I doubt it would go well with any of these pro-choicers who are against killing animals. 

  • Guest

    Yep, slave were 3/5ths of a person, by the US Constitution.

    But if “abortion is murder” then the US (and indeed every western country) is engaged in genocide on a massive scale.  Do you really think not voting, wearing cute pink ribbons, the odd boycott here and there is a suitable response to mass murder, to genocide?