Pro-Life Debate #4 – “77% of Anti-Abortion Leaders are Men. 100% of Them Will Never Get Pregnant.”

Debate

This argument is based on the idea that most pro-life leaders are men, and that pregnancy and abortion doesn’t affect men. Both of these claims are categorically untrue, and can be defeated very easily.

1. Women are AT LEAST as pro-life as men

In 2011, the last time Gallup did a study on abortion views, an equal percentage of men and women polled said that they believed abortion was “morally wrong”. 51% of both genders agreed on this. Furthermore, 5% more women than men felt that abortion should be illegal in all circumstances. Nearly a quarter of all women polled would be in favor of making abortion illegal in all cases.

The 77% statistic is based on the fact that there are more MEN elected to public office than women. This is true for both Democrats and Republicans. If you were going to make a percentage for “leaders” that are pro-abortion, it would be pretty close to the same thing.

2. Many top pro-life Organizations are run by women

If you look at the leaders of the major pro-life organizations, many of them are women.  Some examples include women such as Abby Johnson, Live Action’s own Lila Rose, Charmaine Yoest who is President of Americans United for Life, Carol Tobias who is President of National Right to Life, Marjorie Dannenfelser who is President of SBA ListConcerned Women for America, and Alveda King, the niece of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Oh and not that I’m in the same league as these amazing women, but last time I checked I was a woman.

3. Men are legally responsible for their children

This is something that has always baffled me- if a woman chooses to have her child, then the man that she made the baby with is legally responsible for the child whether he wanted it or not. Talk about double standards. We tell women that it’s okay to not want their baby; that if it’s too hard or expensive that they can just get an abortion. But men don’t have a “choice.” For 18 years (not just 9 months), a man is required to provide financial support for any child he creates. How is it that we can “force” men to be responsible parents, but it is unthinkably wrong to tell women to keep their baby for 9 months and then put it up for adoption?

4. Abortion hurts men

The Los Angeles Times, interviewed men about their experiences with abortion, and found the following:

  • 66% of those who acknowledged having fathered an aborted child said they felt guilty about it. These rates surpassed those which the Times found among post-abortive women.
  • More than 60% of surveyed men believe men should be consulted under the law before their partners abort. Although many men want to protect their offspring, the Los Angeles Times found that aborting women only consulted their child’s father 43% of the time.

Also, Sociologist Arthur Shostak, after interviewing 1,000 men whose partners were getting abortions, warned that men who aren’t helped to mourn over an abortion are learning how to be even less involved as nurturing parents in the future, which not only hurts the men themselves, but their future families.

In conclusion, the idea that having a uterus is the only way you can have a valid opinion on abortion ignores the genetic truth that a baby is just as much the father’s as the mother’s. In a world where we expect men to take responsibility for their actions, it makes no sense that a father has no way to protect their children in the womb. If women want to be treated “equal” to men, then they should be required to take responsibility for the children they create – at least for 9 months.

  • Guest

    Don’t forget about this one.  You can’t forget about this one:

    http://www.quotedb.com/quotes/1788

    Women who are lesbians, naturally sterile, surgically sterile, or menopausal also don’t typically get pregnant.  Is pro-life activism off-limits for them too?

    Of course, even if men were completely unaffected by abortion that would largely be irrelevant.  Saying that you have to own a uterus to take a position on abortion is like saying that you have to own a cotton plantation to take a position on slavery.  Slavery proponents did indeed make this ad hominem argument.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/L6MBZK7G7VXTRR3PRMDNHZM5WY Susan

      BRAVO! Also, isn’t it sort of like saying, you will never afford a slave so don’t speak out against slavery?

  • Matthew

    You are absolutely right; abortion does impact men as well
    as women. Allow me to share my own personal experience that opened my eyes to
    the pro-life struggle.

     

    Twelve years ago my girlfriend and I had a beautiful
    daughter. I had just taken on a new job that required me to work long hours
    including nights and weekends. I fully admit that the majority of parenting
    responsibility was up to her. However, I was not completely absent; I spent
    every moment I could with my infant daughter.

     

    Well four months after the birth of our daughter she got
    pregnant again. Everyone knows having children isn’t easy, and having two would
    have been even more challenging. I was overjoyed at the news, unfortunately she
    was not. She decided that another child would be just too much of a burden. She
    was not willing to go through another nine months of pregnancy. Her primary
    reason was she just couldn’t go that long being unable to “party.”

     

    I begged her, pleaded with her, don’t kill my child, yet she
    would have none of it. I was told it was solely her decision to make. I offered
    to raise both children on my own. If she would allow my baby to live, she could
    walk away and “party” to her hearts content. I contacted an attorney who told
    me what I already knew, legally I had no recourse. Finally I gave her an ultimatum;
    if you choose to end the life of my child then we are finished. I informed her that
    I would be seeking full custody of my daughter, and she would need to move out
    of our home. She agreed and left. The life of my second child was ended.

     

    She made a feeble attempt to fight for custody of our
    daughter, but in the end capitulated to my every demand. I have had full
    custody of my daughter since she was six months old. She was awarded some
    visitation rights, but that only lasted a short time. Eventually her only
    contact was on birthdays and Christmas. Now that doesn’t even happen, my
    daughter has not heard from her mother for seven years.

     

    I challenge anyone to tell me that I, as a man, have not
    been affected by abortion.

     

    • oldmanbob

      My heart bleeds for you Matthew.  If you have not please run don’t walk to a Pregancy Care Center and get into a Healing a Fathers Heart class.

    • Anonymous

      Thank you for taking the responsible, moral route. The world needs more true men like you.

    • joshuaism

      My heart bleeds for you Matthew. Next time wear a condom.

  • Beth

    I would say the biggest and most obvious reason both the “men have no say in abortion” and the “abortion is a human right” arguments fall flat is that while only women biologically are able to get pregnant (which eliminates half the population right off the bat), not all women DO get pregnant and in fact not all women even can get pregnant, and of the ones who do, not all of us have abortions – what’s the number they like to spout, 33% (of women).  So they can maybe claim 17% of the population; 100% of all human beings NEED a mother’s womb.  This is a universal fact of human existence, which makes it pretty dang close to being a human right in and of itself in my opinion.  I challenge anyone to show me an example of a human being managing to grow up without having access to a womb (not counting Adam and Eve, if you even believe in them.)  

    • oldmanbob

      Be sure there was a Adam and Eve.  If it was not for Eve none of us would be here.

      • Proteios1

        Heck. If it was not for both of them, none of us would be here. What could Adam do without eve? What would eve have done without Adam? If you have an answer to that, you can fully justify the one sidedness of the argument. If not, well….

        • Clive

          Is your failure to capitalize the name of Eve a subconscious display of male dominance?

  • Paul

    One of the funniest responses to “you’re a man, you don’t have a say” was to hear “you’re not black; does that mean you can’t be against slavery?” Just because you’re not the directly affected group doesn’t mean you’re not allowed to stand up for what’s right.

    • Oedipa

      Men and women are absolutely entitled to stand up for whatever cause they feel is important. The problem, however, is that everyday men and women do not set public policy. If you look at the membership of legislative bodies across the nation, including in D.C., you’ll see an overwhelming majority of old, pink, male faces (well, except for Boehner, he’s kinda orange).

      This is where the charge comes from that our political leadership is really too interested in throw-back, patriarchal schemes to be superintendents over women’s fertility which, after-all, is the first and best place to exercise control over said women.

      And please don’t reply with lists of female politicians. We know they exist. I’m talking about the aggregate.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Kevin-Donohue/1334406541 Kevin Donohue

    If women are made to have children then men are made to protect them. Don’tchathink?

    • guest

      Nice idea, but millions of men abuse and neglect their children.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1226040247 Wilson Marie Janelle

      In a perfect world, yes. Yet, I’m not convinced.
      I have not seen any other species like humanity where males have sex and don’t want to make children.

      All other male creatures on this planet, do. Well, except dolphins.

  • http://twitter.com/Pam_Stenzel Pamela Stenzel

    For an amazing testimony of how abortion hurts men…check out our radio show from yesterday! Theo Purington shares his story of pain, healing and redemption 
    http://www.enlightencom.com/index.php/resources/radio-program/sermon/5-sex-nobody-told-me-about-part-2

  • Sallywilliams1981

    i so thought this was going to be crazy but it was verry good

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/Q47VZ6OIYCJJXWBQ4MOVDZTVJM Amanda

    If women want to be treated “equal” to men, then they should be required to take responsibility for the children they create–at least for 9 months.. that sounds dangerously close to a pro-slavery argument here. Who you think you’re foolin’? 

    • Guest

      Read the rest of the paragraph…

  • http://www.facebook.com/themaninicole TheMani Nicole

    Keep Abortion Safe and Legal. Especially, for our raped victims.

    • http://twitter.com/ProLifeTweeter ProLifeTweeter

      Abortion is never safe. A human always dies.

    • http://twitter.com/ProLifeTweeter ProLifeTweeter

      Abortion is never safe. A human always dies.

  • Samuel

    Men don’t have a uterus. Debate over.

    • Pertinacia

      Saying that you have to own a uterus to take a position on abortion is like
      saying that you have to own a cotton plantation to take a position on
      slavery.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1226040247 Wilson Marie Janelle

    A large part of the issue is that many men just do not take care of their children or are not expected to take care of their children (in the same fashion of a mother).
    For thousands of years, most of the character raising of the child, illnesses, and such have been taken care of by the mother.
    In my experience, with my family, my mother was the one who took me to doctor’s visits, participated in school functions, religious duties, feeding, bathing, bed time. ..all those important things. My mother could rattle off our shoe sizes and my dad was clueless.
    His role was to work. They both worked, but he did not participate in our character raising as much as our mother.
    This is a pattern that is still quite common, though is changing. Perhaps the more men get invovled with their children (besides providing money), the more they will be recognized as important parts of the family.
    So perhaps if this changes, men will have an important part in this debate.

    On a second note, it takes men 3 minutes to create the spark of life, to create a baby, and a woman 9 months for everything else. There’s a huge difference here. A man doesn’t need extra medical care during this time, let alone experience bodily changes, but the woman certainly does.
    Men are more than likely to also insult/joke about women and their hormonal changes throughout life, including pregnancy. So it is difficult to take men, who want to participate in the family, including this debate, seriously.

    This is why it can be viewed that women have to shoulder more then men when it comes to pregnancy, and therefore have a higher right to the decision of life.
    I’m actually shocked that so many men want to keep their children – planned or not. I’m raised in the USA, and live in a culture where “boys will be boys” free to whore and war around as much as they want with little responsiblity – as it is manly. And women just have to suck it up.

    Though I do agree, it takes two to tango. Perhaps this is the part where men and women need to slow down with sexual intercourse. Perhaps limit their partners or don’t have sex at all until many years after getting to know someone.
    Now this just isn’t fun, and I’m sure there’s someone out there willing to debate an evolutionary excuse about the horniness of humanity, or some sort of spiritual right… So no one wants to do it.
    The truth of the matter is, if we’re going to make it okay for men and women to whore around, or not bother with thinking of their sexual actions, these situations will arise. I can gaurantee you this would not happen if there was less sex going on.
    It’s a simple.
    Sex makes babies. No sex equals no unwanted babies.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1226040247 Wilson Marie Janelle

    A large part of the issue is that many men just do not take care of their children or are not expected to take care of their children (in the same fashion of a mother).
    For thousands of years, most of the character raising of the child, illnesses, and such have been taken care of by the mother.
    In my experience, with my family, my mother was the one who took me to doctor’s visits, participated in school functions, religious duties, feeding, bathing, bed time. ..all those important things. My mother could rattle off our shoe sizes and my dad was clueless.
    His role was to work. They both worked, but he did not participate in our character raising as much as our mother.
    This is a pattern that is still quite common, though is changing. Perhaps the more men get invovled with their children (besides providing money), the more they will be recognized as important parts of the family.
    So perhaps if this changes, men will have an important part in this debate.

    On a second note, it takes men 3 minutes to create the spark of life, to create a baby, and a woman 9 months for everything else. There’s a huge difference here. A man doesn’t need extra medical care during this time, let alone experience bodily changes, but the woman certainly does.
    Men are more than likely to also insult/joke about women and their hormonal changes throughout life, including pregnancy. So it is difficult to take men, who want to participate in the family, including this debate, seriously.

    This is why it can be viewed that women have to shoulder more then men when it comes to pregnancy, and therefore have a higher right to the decision of life.
    I’m actually shocked that so many men want to keep their children – planned or not. I’m raised in the USA, and live in a culture where “boys will be boys” free to whore and war around as much as they want with little responsiblity – as it is manly. And women just have to suck it up.

    Though I do agree, it takes two to tango. Perhaps this is the part where men and women need to slow down with sexual intercourse. Perhaps limit their partners or don’t have sex at all until many years after getting to know someone.
    Now this just isn’t fun, and I’m sure there’s someone out there willing to debate an evolutionary excuse about the horniness of humanity, or some sort of spiritual right… So no one wants to do it.
    The truth of the matter is, if we’re going to make it okay for men and women to whore around, or not bother with thinking of their sexual actions, these situations will arise. I can gaurantee you this would not happen if there was less sex going on.
    It’s a simple.
    Sex makes babies. No sex equals no unwanted babies.

  • WGT

    Thank you for getting it right. No matter what you think of abortion, you’ve surely gotta realise that men’s opinions on it count.