Rapper and podcaster Zuby recently sat down for an exclusive interview with Live Action founder and president, Lila Rose. The two discussed the crisis in the culture today and the way to change hearts and minds when it comes to being pro-life.
Rose asked Zuby to explain why he was pro-life. He said there are two reasons: the first is because the child in the womb is undeniably a human being, and the second is that abortion intentionally and directly takes the life of that innocent human being.
He explained that though he was probably always opposed to the idea of abortion, he didn’t expressly become pro-life until his late 20s, simply because he never thought about it. At that time, things changed when he started to hear a lot of publicity around a pro-life law passed in Georgia. He decided to spend the afternoon learning more about abortion by researching and reading both sides of the issue. His search brought him to a video of a live dilation and evacuation, or D&E, abortion, which he says “haunts me to this day.”
Zuby isn’t just pro-life when it comes to abortion, saying he is also opposed to euthanasia. “This is the inevitable conclusion of a godless society,” he said. “[When] you completely eliminate all Christian foundations and principles, including the sanctity of life…”
Rose and Zuby spoke about the spiraling situation of legalized euthanasia and assisted suicide in Canada, where death is being suggested as a “solution” to problems like poverty, mental illness, and PTSD.
“This is also what happens when you don’t believe that human beings have anything uniquely special about them that puts us above any other type of animal,” he noted, pointing out that people have long put down animals because they are sick, old or unwanted — and now humans are treating other people with this same attitude.
Rose then asked him how to be winsome in the pro-life movement. Zuby said the best way to change hearts is to speak about the hard topics and be courageous. He acknowledged that it can be scary and people are fearful of speaking out against the tide, but without courage, nothing can change. He believes that the best way to get people to consider the issue of abortion is to start conversations and get them to think about it in ways they never have before, noting that many people just accept abortion without even thinking about it.
Zuby also acknowledged that people have completely disassociated the act of sex with reproduction, and said that many young people are terrified of having babies because it has been impressed upon them that having a child will somehow ruin their life.
“Ultimately,” he said, “We need to change people’s attitudes toward human life, sex itself, relationships, and marriage.”
Rose ended by asking Zuby for his message to men, and his response was clear: “We all have to have control over our bodies.”
“Let’s be honest, let’s be mature. Let’s have self-control,” he said, adding, “If the thought of having a child [with someone] freaks you out, why are you jumping into bed together? We know how these things happen, let’s stop trying to kid ourselves, and let’s take responsibility.”
