Nancy Pelosi Wants to Force Georgetown Law to Subsidize Sandra Fluke’s Promiscuity

Pro-abortion, anti-liberty zealot Rep. Nancy Pelosi has inadvertently done the pro-life cause a favor. On Monday the House Minority Leader held a congressional hearing on the cost of birth control, and the testimony of her witness, Georgetown Law student Sandra Fluke, put the narcissism and disingenuousness of her cause on full display:

Without insurance coverage, contraception can cost a woman over $3,000 during law school. For a lot of students who, like me, are on public interest scholarships, that’s practically an entire summer’s salary. Forty percent of female students at Georgetown Law report struggling financially as a result of this policy. One told us of how embarrassed and powerless she felt when she was standing at the pharmacy counter, learning for the first time that contraception wasn’t covered, and had to walk away because she couldn’t afford it. Students like her have no choice but to go without contraception.

Craig Bannister at CNSNews.com did the math and found that “At a dollar a condom if she shops at CVS pharmacy’s website, that $3,000 would buy her 3,000 condoms – or, 1,000 a year.” Divide 1,000 by 365, and it seems Ms. Fluke wants us to believe Georgetown girls are “having sex 2.74 times a day, every day, for three straight years.” Considering that my friends and I (male and female alike) managed to survive four years of college without having any sex, I don’t think the Georgetown kids cutting down a little is too much to ask.

Further, the Weekly Standard’s John McCormack notes:

Birth control pills can be purchased for as low as $9 per month at a pharmacy near Georgetown’s campus. According to an employee at the pharmacy in Washington, D.C.’s Target store, the pharmacy sells birth control pills–the generic versions of Ortho Tri-Cyclen and Ortho-Cyclen–for $9 per month. “That’s the price without insurance,” the Target employee said. Nine dollars is less than the price of two beers at a Georgetown bar.

$9 x 12 months = a mere $108 per year. Ms. Fluke’s recreational preference is more than affordable, and let’s be clear that that’s exactly what it is—her personal choice to prioritize something that she probably (I can’t find confirmation whether or not she’s married) shouldn’t even be doing in the first place, according not to me or Congress but according to her own belief system and the values of the college she voluntarily attends. (Oh, and since she’s a recipient of Georgetown’s Public Interest Law Scholarship, Georgetown might already be paying for up to a third of her annual tuition, in addition to that summer stipend.)

But wait, Sandra Fluke counters, this isn’t just about sex—lots of women need contraception pills for other medical reasons. Georgetown technically covers such prescriptions, but:

In sixty-five percent of cases, our female students were interrogated by insurance representatives and university medical staff about why they need these prescriptions and whether they’re lying about their symptoms.

Yes, how dare Georgetown attempt to verify the legitimacy of requests for a service that could so easily be used for entirely different purposes!

For my friend, and 20% of women in her situation, she never got the insurance company to cover her prescription, despite verification of her illness from her doctor. Her claim was denied repeatedly on the assumption that she really wanted the birth control to prevent pregnancy. She’s gay, so clearly polycystic ovarian syndrome was a much more urgent concern than accidental pregnancy.

Assuming she’s telling the truth, Georgetown may very well be in the wrong. Perhaps the school should show greater deference to “women and their doctors” rather than “university administrators or other employers.” But that’s neither a justification to get the federal government involved nor to forcibly change Georgetown’s policy on birth control for casual use. Her quarrel is with Georgetown University, not Congress.

If Sandra Fluke’s numbers are accurate, that wouldn’t indicate contraception is a necessity. Quite the opposite—it would suggest that Georgetown University has been consumed by a sex-obsessed culture that doesn’t even try to subordinate personal gratification to higher virtues like self-control, chastity, or personal responsibility. Nancy Pelosi’s star witness has unwittingly illustrated one of the stakes in the ObamaCare contraception battle that’s been lost amidst the talk of religious liberty and government power: the moral caliber of the young people we’re relying on to become the responsible adults of the next generation.

  • dennissinclair

    Just what the country needs: another sex-starved, whiny attorney.  Already looking to be on the dole and she has not graduated yet.  So much for morality, responsibility and self-control!  Princess Pelosi brings out the best in people: a person who cannot control her desires. What we cannot control, will control us.   

    • Sandra

       I’m on birth control and not for sexual reasons. I think I deserve to have insurance cover my medicine just like it would cover any other type of medicine. Would you call me a sex-starved person just because I’m on birth control? What ever happened to not judging people?

      • http://twitter.com/CalFreiburger Calvin Freiburger

        Then you should have the right to seek out an insurance company whose policies you like the most. You do NOT have the right to use government to force a private business to provide a service against its will.

        And not wanting society to judge the very decisions you want it to pay for? Does not compute.

        • girlontherun

          Should we then judge whether or not to pay for medical services for other people too.  High blood pressure, heart disease?…probably your fault for being overweight and eating too many cheeseburgers, let’s not pay for that either!

          Also, “seek out an insurance company”…really?  Who has the $$$ to do that??  I get what my employer offers, and when I changed jobs, so did all of my insurance.  

          • http://twitter.com/CalFreiburger Calvin Freiburger

            “Should we then judge whether or not to pay for medical services for other people too.”

            Er, yes….it’s the people’s money. Why WOULDN’T we make judgement calls on how we want to spend it? Or should the government just have access to our wallets for anything & everything?

            “Who has the $$$ to do that??”

            You would, if government would follow the advice of healthcare analysts & economists who advise reforming the laws that drive insurance prices up, like tort law, the restriction on letting providers compete across state lines, and govt. dictating what each plan must & must not provide.

          • Inkhat

            I think, when it comes to public health and well being, the government has a responsibility to step in. This is similar to the early 1800s when the government stepped in to address huge health violations by the meat packing industry. There was a lot of argument about free market and intervention, but the Food and Drug Administration was formed to make sure people weren’t getting sick.

            The fact is that the average American can’t really shop around for health care, so I think it IS up to the government to make sure that basic health care, as defined by doctors, is covered. Most doctors agree contraception is basic health care.

          • http://twitter.com/CalFreiburger Calvin Freiburger

            Do some research as to *why* “the average American can’t really shop around for health care.” The biggest causes are government meddling in the system.

          • Sarah Goodwich

            That’s when the liberals hit the water-works with “draconian” and “mean-spirited” about the so-called reproductive right to pop out 15 welfare-babies at public expense… or the blackmail of being given free pills to stop it.
            I’ll give her a tic-tac, that’ll work…. she can just hold it between her knees.

          • Jms339

            No, I shouldnt have to pay for people who overeat and are obese.  They can go to the gym like I do and exercise…on my lunch break at my job!

            If insurance companies were allowed to compete in every state and offer a la carte services, then yes, you actually could “seek out an insurance company” that covers what and only what you need….really!

            Do you want to pay for prostate medicine even though you dont have one? 

          • ValerieHoo

            That’s a pretty funny comment about the prostate!  LOL

          • girlontherun

            IF you say IF insurance companies WERE ALLOWED to compete = therefore that is NOT REAL right now.  Hope and work for it-yes…assume that anyone can choose their own insurance-no.

          • Sarah Goodwich

            Yeah I guess the need for birth-control is NEVER someone’s fault is it?
            Because like feminists say, ALL SEX IS RAPE!

            Seriously, how homely does a chick need to be in order to have to PAY MONEY for a man to have sex with her?

            Answer: SANDRA FLUKE ugly!

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Patrice-Lavin-Walker/1019088854 Patrice Lavin-Walker

        Insurance companies have the right to have any drug they choose on their formulary..I have to pay for certain medication, why shouldn’t you? Further the FEDS have no right to force any ins. co. or religious institution to pay for something they don’t believe in.  go to Wal Mart

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Patrice-Lavin-Walker/1019088854 Patrice Lavin-Walker

        Where’s your OBAMACARE?

      • Gladys Whipple Hurtis

         Even the Catholic Church is OK with B/C for other medical purposes.  My female doctor (a Catholic) simply has the nurse call and confirm the diagnosis and it is covered.  Read your policy.  You are probably covered and don’t know it.  The controversy is not about women’s health.  It’s about trying to make churches pay for and participate in something that goes against their conscience.  IT INCLUDES ABORTIFACIENTS, STERILIZATIONS, AND ABORTIONS.  Next, if Sandra Fluke has her way, it will include sex changes.  Normal health care will be so expensive no one will be able to afford it.  Givng contraception without a co-pay (free to the insured, but the cost has to be covered by insurance company who passes it on to the employer) means people will not purchases generic ($9.00/month) but will get the highest priced available.  This too, will drive up insurance costs.  I am 71 years old.  I pay co-pays, worked 52 years, and have never taken a handout.  B/C is available at CVS for $9.00 month without insurance.  What’s the beef?

      • Sarah Goodwich

        HELLO, it’s not “birth-control” if it’s for some OTHER REASON, is it?
        If I take steroids for a broken leg, then it’s not the same as Arnold expecting them for free is it?

    • Sarah Goodwich

      She won’t be sex-starved if she has contraception… she’ll just want insurance to buy her a new vagina when she wears out the old one… along with treatment for all the various STD’s she picks up.

      WHERE, oh WHERE did brats get such a sense of freaking ENTITLEMENT?
      When did the word “luxury” begin to be considered a NECESSITY?

  • Del

    There are plenty of people who are rejoicing at this sharp stick in the Church’s eye. 

    Meanwhile…. a nation full of parents envision our gummint’s force-feeding their college-age daughters with contraceptive drugs.

    It’s a Brave New World out there.

    • Charlotte

      I’m glad you know the story “Brave New World.” That’s also what I see happening. “Everybody belongs to everybody else.” I’m worth more than that, and obviously Miss Fluke doesn’t have any conception of her own worth, or the worth of those around her.

  • Letscook1

    Calling an adult, college educated woman “promiscuous” is just as bad as Sharia law. We bash Muslims for their treatment of women but you have shown yourself to not be much better Calvin.

    • Oedipa

      Agreed. So, LiveAction is taking it’s cues from Rush Limbaugh now (he called the law student a slut and a prostitute yesterday on his radio show)? That’s an embarrassing tack to take.

      Look, two things. This personal demonization is insulting and makes you appear more spiteful and mean-spirited than I’d think you’d want to appear. And the obsession about adults having sex is just creepy. Adults have sex. Get over it.

      • http://twitter.com/CalFreiburger Calvin Freiburger

        Actually, I submitted this column before I heard Rush. But the question isn’t complicated: does the amount of sex necessary to justify the price tag she puts on contraception, as explained by Craig Bannister, sound promiscuous or not?

        Heck, does the very concept of promiscuity even exist in your mind? The way some people react so viscerally to any non-libertine mention of sex seems to raise the question.

        There’s no “personal demonization” or “obsession” here. I’m simply evaluating the validity of Sandra Fluke’s demand that the federal government force her college to subsidize her sex life.

        • JimBeam

          A married woman may have a fair amount of sex with her husband and place a significant value on such sex, but that does not make her promiscuous.

          Just because she has sex–even frequent sex–does not make her a libertine.

          The statement says more about you than it does about her.

          • http://twitter.com/CalFreiburger Calvin Freiburger

            Good Lord, you are obsessed over one appearance of a fairly tame word in a title – a word describing behavior which Sandra Fluke’s own testimony clearly revealed she wants subsidized.

             Since you’re such a stickler for accuracy, maybe you’ll acknowledge that in the article I specifically acknowledged not knowing whether or not she was married, or that nowhere did I pass any judgment about her personal life other than that it was hypocritical to demand that a school she, and every other student, VOLUNTARILY ENROLLED AT subsidize behavior against its known value system. But in the interest of putting this to bed, I will concede: Sandra Fluke might not be *personally* promiscuous. She’s just an advocate for government-mandated promiscuity subsidies.

          • Guest

            a word describing behavior which Sandra Fluke’s own testimony clearly revealed she wants subsidized.

            No.  Sandra Fluke’s testimony clearly revealed that the student health plan is NOT subsidized.  She merely wants prescription contraception coverage included in the plan that students pay for out of their own pockets. 

          • http://twitter.com/CalFreiburger Calvin Freiburger

            She wants the government to force Georgetown’s insurance plan to cover birth control for students, i.e., to pick up part of the tab for them. Hence, she wants them to subsidize it.

      • James

         Do either even know what the textbook definition of promiscuous? Here’s what dictionary.com has to say on the matter:

        pro·mis·cu·ous   [pruh-mis-kyoo-uhs] 
        adjective 1. characterized by or involving indiscriminate mingling or association, especially having sexual relations with a number of partners on a casual basis. 2. consisting of parts, elements, or individuals of different kinds brought together without order. 3. indiscriminate; without discrimination. 4. casual; irregular; haphazard.

        I’m failing to see personal demonization. What I AM seeing is the truth. And if the truth is now suddenly verboten, that’s a whole different can of worms.

        • JimBeam

          If this is truth, then please tell me how many sex partners Ms. Fluke has and how you know this information?

    • http://twitter.com/CalFreiburger Calvin Freiburger

      Your comment raises two questions in my mind:

      1.) It isn’t possible for an “adult, college educated woman” to be promiscuous?

      2.) Do you know ANYTHING about Sharia?

    • Skpatriotmi

      I don’t understand why I have to pay for her birth control…or anyone else’s. Do I  have to pay for her cashmere business suits and her gucci bags too? How about I just send her a check every month. Cut out the middle man government, I’ll just send her  money myself. Maybe I should email her and see if there’s anything else she needs…maybe some nice cologne or a new Mercedes.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZXSEUHCJ62B6Z55IGJ5URCEW34 hickorypole

        You’re right on, Skpatriotmi!  Aren’t you just so sick of all these people who think they’re entitled to everything from birth to death & the taxpayers paying the bill!!!!!

  • misskyagirl

    Well u could be like most college students…u live on a budget!! If u need food or condoms…pick one!

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZXSEUHCJ62B6Z55IGJ5URCEW34 hickorypole

      Good comment, misskyagirl

    • marcie

      My taxes pay for the military even though I didn’t agree with the war in Iraq. Sometimes we have to pay for things we don’t believe in. We have to accept that other people have different lifestyles. Or the church could just stop taking government money… I mean, whatever floats your boat. You can’t pick and choose what the government pays for just because you think your opinion is better than anyone else’s

      • http://twitter.com/CalFreiburger Calvin Freiburger

        The national defense is a clear purpose of just, constitutional government. Forcing citizens to subsidize the “lifestyles” of others is not.

        • Jms339

          Here here!

          That makes way to much sense though sir!

      • http://twitter.com/CalFreiburger Calvin Freiburger

        And you apparently think that you can pick and choose what I pay for because you think your opinion is better………..

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  • JackLA

    Planned parent hood…Condoms are free…
    Conversation is over..

    • Padreis

      perhaps you can explain to a girl how she can make a man use a condon and be sure that he does?  birth control works, and isn’t it stupid for Republicans to use this issue at this time?  They’d better watch out as women are gettin’ riled up….even Republican women HATE this issue.

      • http://twitter.com/CalFreiburger Calvin Freiburger

        Republicans aren’t making it an issue. Democrats are by forcing some people to pay for other people’s birth control.

        • JimBeam

          The HHS mandate is horrible policy, but brilliant (and very cynical) politics.

          First, it is buying votes.  Everyone likes free stuff, especially young people.

          Second, because this is an issue involving women and sex, the Administration can reliably count on conservatives to self-destruct on the issue. This very site slanders Ms. Fluke by calling her “promiscuous” with no evidence. Add to this the pearl clutching by the religious right and we see a picture of the opposition as the no-sex league.

          Obama will destroy the country to maintain power and conservatives are dumb enough to unintentionally help him every step of the way.

          • http://twitter.com/CalFreiburger Calvin Freiburger

            “Slander”? Get a grip. And considering you yourself consider the HHS mandate horrible policy, suppose you explain to us how conservatives should fight it without being considered “self-destructing.”

          • JimBeam

            I would start by refraining from ad hominem attacks. Respect Ms. Fluke’s personal life, whatever that may be. Publicly calling her names belittles you, not her.

            Second, the issue is about government power, not contraception, and not sex.

            Third, conservatives have to acknowledge that employer based health insurance is a broken system and LOUDLY promote a conservative alternative.  Few people like the status quo in health care.

          • http://twitter.com/CalFreiburger Calvin Freiburger

            “Second, the issue is about government power, not contraception, and not sex.”

            In this case, the issues are all interrelated. The Left is using the government to both promote and appeal to a sex-obsessed culture. The sexual irresponsibility and the government dependency reinforce one another. If we can’t do something about both aspects of the issue, then the country’s pretty much lost anyway.

      • JimBeam

         Perhaps the girl can explain why she is having sex with a man who won’t respect her enough to wear a condom?

        Birth control pills are only 99% effective when used PERFECTLY. Under normal use, they are only 91% effective. Over half of women who rely on the pill will have an unplanned pregnancy within 10 years. Birth control pills do not reduce risk, they only lead to risk compensation, as the couple is more likely to have sex and less likely to use condoms.

      • Jms339

        Really? 

        I thought “no” meant “no”!

        You are probably the same person that says a girl was “just asking for it for wearing a skirt”!

    • Jms339

      No way JackLA.  Stop making sense right now!  Then she would have to face the embarrasment of actually going in there and getting them. 

      And then she would have to request that her partner actually wear them and according to Padreis, how in the world is any girl supposed to do that???

      -sarcasm

      BTW, there is even an app for smartphones, and I am sure that there is no way a Geaorgetown Law student doesnt have one of those (even though they cost $400 and up with monthly plans of $100 [$1600]) that helps you locate condoms in NYC !

      So if she got rid of her phone, thats $1600 / $9 = 177 months of BC pills.  Thats over ten years of worry free intercourse or 10 years of “treatment” for polycystic ovarian disease.  By then, she should have graduated and can afford her own…

    • Gladys Whipple Hurtis

       And there are four planned parenthood clinics within 3 miles of Georgetown University.  Research Ms. Fluke’s background.  She is a radical agitator who enrolled at Georgetown to try to get the Catholic church to pay for her birth control.  She has written a paper arguing that insurance companies should pay for sex changes.  What next?  This was a setup to take the focus off the real issue … religious freedom guaranteed by the first amendment. 

  • http://twitter.com/MarauderTheSN Marauder

    Promiscuity means sleeping with a lot of different people, not having lots of sex. Seeing as we don’t know what her relationship situation is, calling her promiscuous seems like a baseless assumption and actually pretty insulting, as if having lots of sex = having it with lots of different people. I agree her math is off and she should pay for her own contraception, but let’s stick to the known facts here.

    • Padreis

      are you kidding, people like rush limbaugh don’t like the facts…they like THEIR facts which are made up out of whole cloth.

    • JimBeam

      I believe Ms. Fluke is in a long term committed relationship. Calling her promiscuous without evidence of promiscuity falls in the left wing trap that conservatives are misogynists.

      Also, a woman needs 13 cycles of birth control pills per year (365 / 28 = 13.04), not 12.  At a cost $9/pack, this is a total of $117. Still quite affordable.

      • http://twitter.com/CalFreiburger Calvin Freiburger

        “I believe Ms. Fluke is in a long term committed relationship.”

        Source? And either way, “promiscuous” is an awfully tame descriptor.

        • JimBeam

           Where is your evidence that she is? Put up or shut up, sir.

          • http://twitter.com/CalFreiburger Calvin Freiburger

            You’re the one who made the claim.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZXSEUHCJ62B6Z55IGJ5URCEW34 hickorypole

    Okay, let’s see if I have this straight.  Ms. Fluke & the other students at this law school are going broke because of the cost for their birth control, therefore, it is the responsibility of the insurance companies or taxpayers to take care of the cost for her.  Is this about right?  Why is it someone else’s responsibility to make sure she doesn’t get pregnant while she’s enjoying her sexual appetites.  Hey, I love a glass or two of a good cognac & yes, a cigarette, from time.  Should someone else pay for my enjoyment since it’s too expensive for me to handle????  Has Ms. Fluke ever heard of the word, “NO”, if she doesn’t want to get pregnant.  Get real, people!!!!!

  • Padreis

    this entire article is bs and slanted to appeal to the wingnuts.

    • http://twitter.com/CalFreiburger Calvin Freiburger

      Then perhaps you would be so kind as to point out where and how?

      • Relock77219

        Hey Cal!  Tell these folks the GOP embraced birth control in all health insurance policies just a short time ago.  Tell them Mike Huckabee endorsed it, Mitt Romney endorsed it.  You of course did all kinds of research before writing the article,….right?  So tell them these facts.

        http://articles.latimes.com/2012/feb/15/nation/la-na-gop-contraceptives-20120216 

        • http://twitter.com/CalFreiburger Calvin Freiburger

          1.) Why should I turn around and support a bad policy just because the Republicans made the same mistake as the Democrats? Sorry to disappoint you if you were expecting a GOP yes-man.

          2.) The article does not specify the details of all the plans it mentions. I believe I have read elsewhere that the religious exemptions of some of the state laws it’s talking about were more robust than those of the HHS mandate. And in some cases, it’s flat-out inaccurate: http://liveaction.org/blog/newt-gingrich-tries-to-paint-mitt-romney-as-an-enemy-of-catholic-hospitals/

          3.) It shows a glaring ignorance of internal Republican politics. Taking the pulse of the party through Olympia Snowe? The liberal Republican whose recent decision not to seek reelection has elicited cheers throughout the conservative blogosphere?

          • Relock77219

            Cal my man, your position on this is the Republican talking point TO THE LETTER.  Can you show me something you’ve written any time before Republicans pounced on this issue that shows your rage about insurance policies covering birth control?  I hope you can.  Because if you can’t, you ARE a yes man for the party.  

            And the number of people on here who are fighting with you non stop should indicate the popularity of the position you and your party have chosen.

            Happy hole-digging, Cal my man.

          • http://twitter.com/CalFreiburger Calvin Freiburger

            No, all it proves is that liberal fanatics like to spend a lot of time venting about stuff they don’t like on the Internet. How about you provide some sort of actual, y’know, ARGUMENT instead of making up nonsense about talking points?

          • Relock77219

            Hey, Cal.  You want me to make an argument as to why health ins. policies should cover women’s health issues?  Am I on a hidden camera show?  Do you actually not understand the pill is a prescription drug that must be taken like clockwork every day whether or not she has sex once a year or once an hour?  Did I really just waste my time typing this out?  Please tell me this is a prank.

            Now, Cal.  When will you show us, in writing, your rage against birth control coverage before the GOP rage?  Your last post kinda says this doesn’t exist.  Your rage seems to be in sync with GOP rage.  That’s too bad.  Kinda hurts your ‘I’m not a yes-man’ argument.Happy hole-digging, Cal my man.

          • http://twitter.com/CalFreiburger Calvin Freiburger

            “You want me to make an argument as to why health ins. policies should cover women’s health issues?”

            No, an argument as to why the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT should FORCE health insurance policies to cover birth control for elective purposes.

            “Do you actually not understand the pill is a prescription drug that must be taken like clockwork every day whether or not she has sex once a year or once an hour?”

            I challenge you to show where my words implied anything of the sort.

            And lastly, I take a backseat to nobody in ripping on Republicans when they have it coming. Peruse my archives here, at NewsRealBlog.com, or at my personal blog if you’re that curious about it.

            But in this case, the “GOP rage” happens to be correct. Deal with it.

          • Ducats69376

            Deal with it?  Don’t give up now, Cal, you’re in the home stretch.

            Scanned those articles–didn’t find something that states your rage on this issue before the current GOP rage.  Guess I’m not computer savvy enough.  Where is it exactly?  I’ll keep asking until you either show me, or tell me it doesn’t exist.
            I won’t waste your time explaining that when a woman gets a job she has no control over what’s in her policy, and if the policy doesn’t cover what she needs she can’t very well quit and get another job with the right ins.  I would never insult your intelligence like this.

            You want an argument as to why the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT should FORCE health insurance policies to cover (insert health issue here, since this is not about sex) for elective purposes. 

            Shall we start the list of elective procedures which are covered without protest?

            And after we’re done you can tell everyone here why birth control must be excluded from this list.

            Looking forward to it.

          • http://twitter.com/CalFreiburger Calvin Freiburger

            Well, since we’re not insulting one another’s intelligence, then I guess I can say that I don’t think you’re even being sincere with this “what about the GOP?” gibberish, and that you know why it’s meaningless.

            Since we’re not insulting intelligence, then I shouldn’t have to point out that what you’re alluding to is actually an argument against exclusive employer-based insurance, not an argument for government mandates.

            And since we’re not insulting intelligence, then surely I don’t have to point out that your newest insincere attempt to paint me as a hypocrite presupposes that I support government mandates for those other things, which I don’t.

          • Ducats69376

            I’m 1000%sincereabout my GOP comment.  I’m sure it’s coincidence you decided to speak out at the same time.  And I’m all for non-employer based ins.  We all know it won’t pass, so welcome, mandates.  Lastly, puttingpromiscuity in the title impliesmultiple partners. Written to place judgment on her.  She could be Monogomous.  A moral, fair writer would have written birth control in its place.

      • Guest

         The article is BS because

        1).  It seems Ms. Fluke wants us to believe
        Georgetown girls are “having sex 2.74 times a day, every day, for three
        straight years.”

        Ms. Fluke has not asked us to believe anything of the sort.  She is asking us to believe that what kind of birth control is best for a woman should be decided by her and her doctor, not by a school administrator.  Or a random internet blowhard.

        2).  she probably…shouldn’t even be doing in the first place, according not to me or
        Congress but according to her own belief system and the values of the college she voluntarily attends.

        Since the college subsidizes birth control for staff and faculty, the “college values” argument is profoundly unconvincing.

        3).  Quite the opposite—it would suggest that Georgetown University has been
        consumed by a sex-obsessed culture that doesn’t even try to subordinate
        personal gratification to higher virtues like self-control, chastity, or
        personal responsibility.

        Your entire argument in this article flows from a). the entirely unsupported assumption that female Georgetown students want prescription contraception coverage because they are having so much sex that condoms are not cost-effective, and b). the premise that Georgetown subsidizes student health insurance costs, which you would know was false if you’d been paying attention to Ms. Fluke’s testimony instead of wondering how round her heels were.

        Nancy Pelosi’s star witness has unwittingly illustrated one of the
        stakes in the ObamaCare contraception battle that’s been lost amidst the
        talk of religious liberty and government power: the moral caliber of
        the young people we’re relying on to become the responsible adults of
        the next generation.

        Sandra Fluke’s biography is here (http://law.georgetown.edu/pils/CurrentPILS.htm).  If you’re judging her moral caliber by how many times you estimate she has sex rather than by what she’s done for trafficking and domestic violence victims, that’s your business.  It’s also a revealing insight into your priorities.

        • Guest
        • http://twitter.com/CalFreiburger Calvin Freiburger

          “Ms. Fluke has not asked us to believe anything of the sort”…says a commenter without bothering to refute the math that quote is based on.

          “She is asking us to believe what kind of birth control is best for a woman should be decided by her and her doctor, not by a school administrator. Or a random internet blowhard.”

          Last time I checked, “her and her doctor” =/= “the United States Congress.” Oh, and where did this “blowhard” presume to make healthcare decisions for her?

          “Since the college subsidizes birth control for staff and faculty, the ‘college values’ argument is profoundly unconvincing.”

          A.) Does Christianity generally frown upon extramarital sex, or does it not? That Georgetown might not hold their faculty & staff to that standard may reflect badly on them, but not on the standard itself. B.) Perhaps Georgetown’s rationale is that, as professional adults, faculty & staff are more likely to be married than students.

          “The entirely unsupported assumption that female Georgetown students want prescription contraception coverage because they are having so much sex that condoms are not cost-effective”

          Sandra Fluke’s assumption, not mine. In fact, I know she doesn’t speak for all Georgetown women: http://thecollegeconservative.com/2012/03/02/sandra-fluke-does-not-speak-for-me/

          “the premise that Georgetown subsidizes student health insurance costs, which you would know was false if you’d been paying attention to Ms. Fluke’s testimony”

          I’m always amused when people accuse me of misreading things based on their own misreadings of what I write.

          “if you’re judging her moral caliber by how many times you estimate she has sex”

          No, I’m judging her moral caliber by what she considers adequate grounds for using the force of the federal government to impose her values on private institutions.

  • Padreis

    Wonder why Limbaugh has neither boy or girl to carry on his sorry legacy of hatred towards the ‘other’?  He does have a hx of viagra use (impotency due to drug addiction?) or shooting blanks?  4 marriages and no kids!
    and he thinks he has the right to call this girl a slut!!  he doesn’t even deserve to pronounce her name.

    • http://twitter.com/CalFreiburger Calvin Freiburger

      I like how you’re not even pretending to make a rational or coherent argument.

      • Relock77219

        The writer actually responds–first time for everything I guess.

        Limbaugh has no kids, which means over four marriages he has practiced birth control perfectly.  Now he is judging a woman for speaking out on behalf of women, not just herself.  GOP is trying to force a woman to ask her employer for birth control.  This decision is between her doctor and herself and you know it.  Birth control has always been covered in health plans.  The Republican party embraced this concept just a few years ago.  Mike Huckabee fought for it.  Many religious leaders can’t understand why the GOP is doing this.  Why don’t you state these facts in your article?  Do some research and see it’s correct, then tell your readers.  If you do not, you have zero credibility as a writer; you’re simply spreading the propaganda of this website.  You should be proud.

        • http://twitter.com/CalFreiburger Calvin Freiburger

          We cannot be any clearer: whether people should be able to HAVE birth control is not the issue. whether government should FORCE others to provide it for them is. And you know it.

          And why would I take marching orders from the GOP any more than the Democrats?

    • Jms339

      Limbaugh, like most working Americans, pays for his health insurance and based on his income I imagine (and hope) he pays a lot.  So what does it matter if he has a Viagra script?  He isnt asking you or the Government to pay for it, like Fluke is, so what is the problem???

  • girlontherun

    Are you serious with the “something that she probably (I can’t find confirmation whether or not she’s married) shouldn’t even be doing in the first place” comment???  So this is as much about preaching sex-only-in-marriage as it is about using contraceptives???Many women who want birth control covered are married!!!

    • http://twitter.com/CalFreiburger Calvin Freiburger

      Way to cut off my sentence halfway through to completely distort the meaning: as I said, “…according not to me or Congress but according to her own belief system and the values of the college she voluntarily attends.” SHE is the one who made the CHOICE to attend a religious school. Religions teach sexual restraint. Yet now she’s taking up the cause of forcing her religious school to subsidize the students’ sex lives?

  • Mjmtome1

    Here’s something else which should also underscore the point: according to the Weekly Standard: “Birth control pills can be purchased for as low as $9 per month at a pharmacy near Georgetown’s campus. According to an employee at the pharmacy in Washington, D.C.’s Target store, the pharmacy sells birth control pills–the generic versions of Ortho Tri-Cyclen and Ortho-Cyclen–for $9 per month. “That’s the price without insurance,” the Target employee said. Nine dollars is less than the price of two beers at a Georgetown bar.”

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/dc-target-sells-birth-control-9-month-georgetown-student-tells-congress-friends-are-going-broke-pay-pills_632955.html

    Also, Sandra Fluke, according to the Washington Post, was the former president of Georgetown’s “Students for Reproductive Justice” and “came to Georgetown University interested in contraceptive coverage: She
    researched the Jesuit college’s health plans for students before
    enrolling, and found that birth control was not included. ‘I decided I
    was absolutely not willing to compromise the quality of my education in
    exchange for my health care,’ says Fluke, who has spent the past three
    years lobbying the administration to change its policy on the issue.”

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/meet-sandra-fluke-the-woman-you-didnt-hear-at-congress-contraceptives-hearing/2012/02/16/gIQAJh57HR_blog.html

    She was also part of a press conference of “Catholic Students for Women’s Health” sponsored by the former Lt. Governor of Maryland, Kathleen Kennedy Townsend that was aired on C-SPAN: http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/304345-1#

  • Guest

    ONE brand of birth control is $9, yes.  But brands of birth control can affect women differently, causing nausea, infections, weight gain, depression….Ortho-Tricyclin doesn’t work for all women. Her math is right, I had not health in surance and was on birth control and it cost almost $1000 a year.  Also I am married and needed it for medical reasons. Also, this is the most poorly written editorial I’ve ever read. My God.

    • Guest

      Oh, the person who wrote this article is a man.  No wonder he has no clue what he is talking about.

      • http://twitter.com/CalFreiburger Calvin Freiburger

        Your outrage might carry more weight if you didn’t sully it with sexism. And perhaps you could point out what’s “poorly written”?

        • Oedipa

          Have you viewed the screeds Rush Limbaugh has produced the last few days on this topis, Mr. Freiburger? He called her a slut and a prostitute. That’s not just sexism, that’s misogyny. You’re skirting dangerously close to that territory.  It’s to your own movement’s detriment that for political expediency, pundits (of small stature and large) feel entitled to leverage this woman’s sex life.

          Meanwhile, institutional Catholic employers have no trouble folding Viagra and Cialis into their insurance programs.

          • Scoot

            “Meanwhile, institutional Catholic employers have no trouble folding Viagra and Cialis into their insurance programs.”

            Men also can’t get pregnant. If you want to have a rational conversation about this, you must drop the propaganda that the Church is “anti-woman.” That’s a false, hurtful, and even aggravating argument for a man like myself who deeply cares for women.

            The issue is about life – birth control, when used to prevent a pregnancy, demeans the act of sex by withholding a crucial part of sex (openness to life). It hurts both the man and the woman’s emotional and spiritual life in the long run. Viagra promotes this aspect of sex, birth control does not. You don’t see the Church handing out condoms for men, now do you? I hope this makes things clearer. Stop making this a man vs. woman issue – it’s not!

            Contraception is convenient, a safe way to have recreational sex, but it misses the mark totally on the whole purpose of sex to be open to life, to have a man and a woman give each other wholly to one another. That’s the problem.

          • Oedipa

            When the Republican party’s chief poobah (Mr. Limbaugh) goes on national radio and calls a woman engaged in a civil political dialogue a slut and a prostitute and suggests that she video tape herself in a sex act for him to see, there’s no way to skirt that issue.

            Your parochial ideas about what sex is and what sex isn’t is your own, and noone is going to deny you that. But to prescribe those ideas to the population at large is a fool’s errand. Even Republican know that and don’t know why they’ve turned into the Hester Prynne primaries, as Maureen Dowd called it.

            “Republicans being against sex is not good,” the G.O.P. strategist Alex
            Castellanos told me mournfully. “Sex is popular.”

          • Scoot

            Contraception has a direct link to divorce rates and marital unhappiness. My ideas on sex are not my own, they are the Church’s who believes that God made sex for human happiness and flourishing. “Sex IS popular” indeed. And since it’s popular and important to us, it’s something we should want to get right. Take it or leave the Church’s view on sex, like you said, but do not forbid religion to have a say in public policy and debate, especially if it has a meaningful message. The other side of the coin, obviously, is the government coercing religious institutions to provide unconscionable services. That stabs at the first amendment’s robust guarantee of religious freedom of conscience. Georgetown University is a Catholic university. If you want birth control as part of your health care plan, don’t expect someone who is morally opposed to it to pay for it for you. That violates religion’s conscience rights.

            Limbaugh can be an idiot. I agree with you. So why use him? Broaden your view of your opponent. We aren’t all drooling over Limbaugh’s messages.

          • Oedipa

            My initial point was that Mr. Freiburger and other commentariat engage
            in a debased dialogue when they suggest that contraception “subsidizes
            Sandra Fluke’s promiscuity”. Or worse, as in Mr. Limbaugh’s recent case
            of rhetorical Tourettes.

            You know Scoot I can get behind just about everything you said there (except the “direct link” canard – that seems to be a theological stand and not a scientific or sociological one). If they took your argument and ran with it, they might get somewhere. But they can’t resist the cheap shot of calling women strumpets and whores.

          • http://twitter.com/CalFreiburger Calvin Freiburger

            It’s a deliberate lie to suggest that “Republicans are against sex” has anything to do with this debate. If you want anything you say to be taken seriously, I suggest refraining from such falsehoods.

          • Oedipa Mossmoon

            Mr. Freiburger, that was a quote by a well know G.O.P. strategist. He’s assessing what the national zeitgeist is surrounding this debate. If you need any proof, please review the movement of the polls vis-a-vis women for Mr. Obama and all his potential Republican candidates.

            I appreciate your concern for my “seriousness” but I’m not going to be taking advice from someone who would leverage a young women’s sex life for political expediency.

          • http://twitter.com/CalFreiburger Calvin Freiburger

            And again your words have no connection whatsoever to what’s actually happening.

            Enough with gibberish about the “zeitgeist” and “leveraging women’s sex lives.” Stick to what Republicans and Democrats ARE ACTUALLY SAYING AND DOING.

    • http://twitter.com/CalFreiburger Calvin Freiburger

      Of course contraception isn’t a one-size fits all matter. But shouldn’t congressional testimony also acknowledge that it can be far less expensive, too?

      What brand did you use that cost $1000 a year? And I already addressed the point about birth control for medical reasons.

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  • Czivolich

    One operation can fix this. I’m sure it’s in the new health plan.

  • Rodman

    Read the article, the pill is prescribed for numerous health issues, you ignorant rubes passed that by because of your obsession with anything sexual. get a grip

    • http://twitter.com/CalFreiburger Calvin Freiburger

      I find it interesting whenever people suggest that advocating government intervention to facilitate consequence-free sexual behavior isn’t sex-obsessed, but objecting to that intervention is.

  • Warro15

    What is the type of birth control that costs $1,000 a year?  Could a cheaper type suffice?
    Is there a place in D.C. where one could get free counterception like Planned Parenthood?  These questions were not addressed at the hearing.

  • Guest1

    Unreal how the news is all about contraception.  I paid for my own contraception, so should those women at Georgetown.  Or, how about not having sex, or how about using a CONDOM!??!! 

  • http://www.politicaljunkiehandbook.com/ derekcrane

    $3,000 for three years.  A condom costs about a quarter. She could purchase 12,000 condoms, 4,000 a year or 11 a day.  It seems Rush is on to something here.

  • ValerieHoo

    Ms. Fluke said that bc can cost $3,000 over the course of law school.  Planned Parenthood’s own website says that bc pills cost $15-$50 per month.  It says that the bc shot, given every three MONTHS, costs $35-$75 per shot. It says that the bc implant, which lasts for 3 YEARS — all three years of fulltime law school, cost $400-$800 total. It says that the IUD costs $500-$1200 and last for 12 YEARS. PP says that the bc patch costs $40-$80 per month and the bc ring costs $15-$80 per month.    Seems like the $3,000 figure may be based on the most expensive patch or the most expensive ring.  Law school beginning in August of say, 2009, and ending in May of 2012 is roughly 34 months; 34 x $80/month equals $2,720. I think I got this math right!

  • http://www.facebook.com/uptonroger Roger Upton

    Ms. Fluke’s reasoning (and she’s going to be a lawyer?) is so surreal that it borders on parody. After listening to her arguments on why I should bascially pay for her to have sex, I was waiting for the punchline. Sadly, she was dead serious.

    • Oedipa Mossmoon

      I’m assuming by your statement that you’re the Georgetown insurer. How nice of you to drop in.

      If you’re not, then, might I ask how you believe “you” will be paying for Ms. Fluke’s prescriptions. Maybe you know her and are kind enough to foot her health care premiums?

      Seriously, son, before glibly making fun of someone, you should think through the topic just a wee bit.

  • Guest

    Correction needed:

    Georgetown University does *not* subsidize the student health insurance: students pay the premiums entirely out of their own pocket.  This is stated in Ms. Fluke’s testimony, and easily verified with two minutes of research on Georgetown’s website.

    http://studentaffairs.georgetown.edu/insurance/negotiations.html

    • http://twitter.com/CalFreiburger Calvin Freiburger

      I didn’t say Georgetown *does* subsidize student health insurance.

  • Inkhat

    Do you seriously not understand how birth control works? You don’t take it every time you have sex. It’s a prescription and a lot of women use it for medical reasons. Maybe doctors should decide what’s valid medicine….

    • http://twitter.com/CalFreiburger Calvin Freiburger

      “You don’t take it every time you have sex.”

      Where did I leave the impression I think otherwise?

      • Oedipa Mossmoon

         You and Mr. Limbaugh leave the impression that just taking the Pill equals “promiscuity”. As if each time you #$%*, you need to take another one. You take one every day. Whether you #$%* one time a year or three hundred and sixty five times a year.

        • http://twitter.com/CalFreiburger Calvin Freiburger

          I am not Limbaugh. Which quotes from the above article suggest that your characterization of me is accurate?

  • Ngwood

    Quick question, does  insurance cover Viagra?

    • http://twitter.com/CalFreiburger Calvin Freiburger

      Don’t know, don’t care. It’s not my concern what Georgetown’s student insurance does & doesn’t cover; it IS everybody’s concern whether the federal government assumes the power to make such decisions FOR Georgetown.

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  • guest

    Tax dollars paying for someone’s shady promiscuous behavior?  And possibly abortions?  Really?  Is she serious?

  • Jscott2700

    Forget it.  Many in Generations X and Y are the demon spawn of their horribly narcissistic, entitled, spoiled, privileged parental generation – the Baby Boomers.  The horrible times ahead, i.e. Depression, possible war, massive Federal tyranny, and the aftermath, will make the current young folks, those under 10 years old, much stronger, more responsible, and frankly less stupid than the 3 generations that preceded them.  I’m a Gen X’er by the way, but I will say from the Baby Boomers on down in America you have the most privileged, spoiled, pampered, decadent generations in the history of  this planet.  The days of having their lives subsidized by others are coming to an end, and I cannot wait for that day when these narcissistic idiots get slapped in the face with reality.

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  • Seymour Butts

    Just what the country needs….Dennis Sinclair

  • Jim Jones

    “Considering that my friends and I (male and female alike) managed to survive four years of college without having any sex”
    Most likely because you didn’t have the choice!

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  • Sarah Goodwich

    Sex isn’t an accident, it’s a CHOICE.
    It costs nothing to keep one’s knees together!